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6 minutes ago, Emdog said:

going back to 1788 for illegal boat people...?

Try 40-60,000 years earlier. Of course back then boats weren't needed because there was a land bridge.

9 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

I do recognize this was trump’s push and was successful. I base my thinking on the NATO members themselves recognizing this. There are follow-up thoughts … what is 5% spending for the USA  and are we spending in that already? (remember all NATO nations called on to meet the 5% financial support). Do keep in mind also that the USA has some 800 global bases so… are NATO members expected to pick up part of the costs for the total or limited to the defense of NATO responsibility? 

NATO had to respond especially when Trump threatened not to recognise Article 5. As for is the US spending 5% I don't know but it's close to $1 trillion for 2025.

20 minutes ago, transam said:

"No person in the world believed it"....😱

 

That is one of the silliest quotes you have ever posted on here, talk about try and cover for your hero.........🤣

 

Did you actually watch the video of him saying it.........?........🤣

 

I think you have just buried yourself...........🤐

I saw him say it live watching on the net. "No fkn way" or words to that effect I believe was my reaction. So what I'm saying is no one believed it could be done in a day. I thought that was obvious so your comment is way off the mark. No surprise there.

14 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Like he ended the Russian invasion with just one phone call? Trump is a delusional, psychotic gasbag, always has been, always will be! 

Yep. Saying he would end the war in Ukraine in a day, no person in the world believed it. Thing is people like you refuse to see or refuse to  acknowledge what he has achieved.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do you assume there has not been much of an investigation? 

Hasn't seen it on MSM. 

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s not been much of an investigation.

 

I wonder why?

The shooters dead. As for investigations how do you know there hasn't been much of one? I guess MSM hasn't ran it.

3 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yes, they are pretty much defenseless, so there is no way Iran would have said anything other than what is stated in the OP, whatever the state of their nuclear program.

Agree?

You seemed to have ignored the bit about their ability or lack thereof to hide developing nukes which will now be years down the line. Years not months.

14 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Fully debunked by who?

If you still think the CNN report is accurate there's something wrong with you. There are two articles in this thread alone that debunks it.

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

What did you expect them to say? "Nice try, a**holes"?

Early assessment suggests US strikes didn’t destroy Iran’s nuclear sites

Well, well, well, what have we here. So the sites weren't obliterated anyway? Wonder who'll take the fall for this.

Any comment about this thread you started which was an obvious swipe at Trump based on the now fully debunked report from CNN?

2 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Brandolini’s Law: don't burn calories on recycled BS.

 

I'll take it that this deflection means you now accept that the GBU-57 was designed primarily for the Fordow facility. 

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

Big win for Trump along with all the other MAGA WINNING "accomplishments" this week. And how about that historic peace agreement between Rawanda and the DRC!

 

 

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

No need to dismiss your spin — I already did that, in the part of my post you conveniently omitted. You regurgitating what I already disproved won’t make it true.

Your boasted degree in science — albeit political — continues to fail you with your logic and reasoning:

• Ad Hominem / Argument from Ignorance – “You haven’t seen the briefing” = dodge, not proof.

• Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc – Two people studied Fordow, and the MOP exists — doesn’t mean one caused the other.

• Single-Cause Fallacy – Ignores that MOP was built for any deep bunker, not just one site.

• Conflation – Tweaking fuse settings ≠ designing the bomb.

• False Dichotomy – It wasn’t built just for Fordow or for nothing. It was made for any hardened site — Fordow happened to qualify.

• Cherry-Picking – You clipped the parts of my post that dismantled your claim.

Faulty logic isn’t evidence — it just props up a myth.

“Along the way, they realized we did not have a weapon that could adequately strike and kill this target,” according to Caine. “So they began a journey to work with industry and other tacticians to develop the GBU-57.”

Which part of this do you not understand. It's not the chicken and egg conundrum. First came Fordow and then the weapon to destroy it, that weapon being the GBU-57. As for "Ignores that MOP was built for any deep bunker, not just one site." you are wrong according to what General Caine has stated. I think I'll believe someone at the very top of the U.S. military on this. Sure the MOP can be used on any fortified bunker BUT it's initial development was to destroy the Fordow facility. 

https://www.twz.com/air/gbu-57-massive-ordnance-penetrator-strikes-on-iran-everything-we-just-learned

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Has Iran confirmed the attack ‘obliterated’ Iran’s nuclear program

 

Has Iran confirmed...............lol

 

You need to do a little better than that.

Indeed. Although the nuclear sites have been wiped out as have many of the top nuclear scientists, top echelon military and revelutionary guard personnel taken out, the entirety of it's air force destroyed, most of it's missile launchers reduced to wreckage and Israel having total control of Iranian airspace, the Supreme Leader has claimed victory over Israel.

Still haven't heard from the anti-Trump brigade other than negative emojis. Why is this I wonder. Been proven wrong? Have to admit the mission was successful? Have to admit Trump was right and Fordow was indeed taken out and CNN was irresponsible in their initial reporting that you believed? Have to admit this is a massive set back to Iran nuclear weapons programme? I look forward to your thumbs down emoji as this is all you can respond with in response to this comment and this thread.

50 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Could be a bluff 😉

I see someone agrees with your comment. This is probably the same poster trolling the thumbs down and doesn't realise your comment is one of irony hence the wink emoji.

This must be fake news.....well according to all those on the previous threads that believed the initial CNN story based on selective pieces of a leaked classified document which was of low confidence. My guess is we're not going to be hearing too much from the psychotic Trump haters on this thread. 

27 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Initial reports suggest that the sergeant was driving back from Bangkok to his hometown in Na Kae District to visit his parents. He was reportedly just five kilometres from his destination when he allegedly fell asleep behind the wheel, causing the vehicle to veer off course and slam into the couple’s motorcycle.

He was driving on the wrong side of a major divided road. "Fell asleep behind the wheel"?

Wait! What? Can't wait for those who have Trump living rent free in their heads 24/7 that have been so vocal in previous threads to comment on this one. Here's a tip. 

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said the strikes did not "accomplish anything significant to disrupt Iran's nuclear programme...".

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdjxy039ln8o

Of course you could also rehash the CNN story which has been well and truly debunked but I'm sure that won't stop you.

9 hours ago, BLMFem said:

 

Grok3:

The claim that the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) was developed specifically for Iran's Fordow nuclear facility is partially accurate but oversimplifies the context. The GBU-57 MOP, a 30,000-pound precision-guided bunker-buster bomb, was developed by Boeing for the U.S. Air Force starting in the early 2000s, with the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) leading the effort to address deeply buried and hardened targets. The development was driven by lessons from the 2003 Iraq invasion, where existing bunker-busting munitions like the GBU-28 proved insufficient against deeply fortified structures. The MOP was designed to penetrate up to 200 feet of concrete or rock, targeting facilities like those used for weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or command centers.
While Fordow, Iran's deeply buried uranium enrichment facility near Qom, became a significant focus for the MOP program, it was not the sole driver. Fordow's construction, which began around 2006 and was disclosed to the IAEA in 2009 after Western intelligence became aware of it, aligned with the MOP's development timeline. The facility, buried 260-300 feet under a mountain, was a key example of the kind of hardened target the MOP was designed to address. General Dan Caine, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, noted in a June 2025 press conference that the need to strike Fordow was a "key aspect" in the MOP’s development, and the weapon was tailored to counter such deeply buried sites. However, the MOP was part of a broader "Big BLU" program to address a range of hardened targets globally, including those in countries like North Korea, China, and Russia, which also maintain extensive underground infrastructure.
The claim is misleading in suggesting Fordow was the only target, as the MOP's development predates public knowledge of Fordow and was intended for a wider strategic purpose. Nonetheless, Fordow's emergence as a critical target significantly influenced the weapon’s design and testing, culminating in its first combat use on June 22, 2025, when B-2 Spirit bombers dropped 14 MOPs on Fordow and Natanz during Operation Midnight Hammer.

AI is wrong.

Everything We Just Learned About The GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator Strikes On Iran

https://www.twz.com/air/gbu-57-massive-ordnance-penetrator-strikes-on-iran-everything-we-just-learned