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That is not what this person said...they were untumating personal detailed knowledge of the accident and making unfounded judgements. Crash helmets can improve your chances of survival by about 35%. ...they are limited in what they can do. Of course it's best to wear a helmet but they are not some kind of panacea. People are far too keen to make ill-informed judgments on this guy's fate based on a smug "holier than thou" attitude. It just shows how little they understand about crashes and analysis thereof. We simply don't know.

so how do you know that? did you see his medical report and make a diagnosis?

OP - No! this is absolute nonsense – there is a perception – or even a sickness – amongst some expats that manifests itself as a paranoia that all Thai people are out to get them. Of course this attitude ends up justifying itself as they are the first to complain and create a scene in the event of an accident. If you are involved in a crash then there is a procedure that is VERY IMPORTANT to follow. RING YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY IMMEDIATELY – the reason for this is that they will quickly send an gent to the scene and they act as intermediary between you, the police and other parties – you will hardly need to say a thing. Long rants in English achieve nothing. Check for injuries and emergency care. Make sure someone has rung police or ambulance. Control your temper – foreigners often fail underestimate how losing it will damage the whole process from that moment one Once the other parties are aware you are getting an insurance agent, they will often turn out be open to a compromise – many will back away they might not have insurance or other documents) or don’t want to lose a no claims bonus – so the whole thing might go away. Obviously your decision will be based on how much damage there is to your vehicle or passengers. Over 20 of driving in Thailand, I’ve had occasion to call and agent about 3 times and I’ve not been blamed ever and the incidents have always ended amicably. I have also seen foreigners who clearly think if they explain the driving laws of their home country loudly to a local policeman, they will bring about a change in the Thai law from the side of the road. This won’t happen and it won’t help your case.

You can't examine MMCC in single issue terms - it is an intellectually incomplete way of seeing things.

Basically I blame movies like "Day after Tomorrow". Silly movies like this have lead much of the public to believe that climate change should be dramatic and instantly demonstrable....whereas the truth is it is far more u sidious and of course it has started Attribution is really a red herring that is used by deniers as failure to attribute directly seems to them to justify denial when in fact it just shows a gross misunderstanding of what MMCC really entails.

..and Thailand fails to achieve this.

I think I've covered that....the issue is how deaths are handled on the island. See comments on how the authorities operate.... the fact is all you can do is speculate.

The most recent death was a 48 year old diving instructor, one would have thought reasonably fit He is the fifth instructor to have died on the island in recent years. The police say he died of natural causes, but friends have raised concerns over the number of unexplained deaths. Maybe just “conspiracy theory” – but the fact remains that his death has re-wakened the concerns of many over the reputation of this benighted island. Deaths on the island have a long history. Koh Tao was a political penal colony from 1933 until 1947, it now likes to exist as far as possible from any mainland oversight. Koh Tao island is only 7 km in length and 3 km in width and has a total area of approximately 21 square km. The modern history of Koh Tao is pretty short - in the 1980s, backpackers and scuba divers began to visit Ko Tao and it quickly became a popular destination. In the 1990s the island became known for diving. Now, Koh Tao gets just over half a million visitors a year. The Thai population is about 2500 and the foreign long term resident number about 2000. These figures give you some idea of the huge amount of money flooding into this tiny island, handled by just a small number of people on the island. There are bout 3 to 5000 Burmese labourers on the island whose status is questionable and exploitation is certain. They rely on the police to remain there and allegedly pay about 500 bah per month for the privilege. On average there were about 30,000 to 60,000 visitors on the island per month. Last year post Covid it was around 30,000. Originally many of the Thai people were “squatters”[1] as the islands aren’t definitively surveyed for property ownership. Squatting in Thailand was permissible possession can occur after ten years of continuous occupation. (e.g. - In 2015, the capital Bangkok had over 2 million squatters, out of a population of around 10 million). A large percentage of the land in Thailand is not titled or even accurately surveyed. This is because complete surveys and comprehensive titling procedures have never been carried out or completed….. So, those in control on the island are the owners of the booming tourist businesses that were developed on land originally obtained, via “squatting” or “selectoring” i.e. government concessions, originally for growing coconuts…and much of which doesn’t have full proof of ownership. (e.g. “chanote”) Back in 2014 Jonathan Head and other journalists commented that this island in particular was a place where feuding was common and vicious. Often involving fire arms. It is very easy to get a firearms permit in Thailand The island has long had a reputation for drugs; marijuana is commonplace and was openly sold in some bars – even pre-rolled joints. Ya-ba was also used especially by locals. You could also buy magic mushrooms etc. If you are to believe the “family” history of Koh Tao then it would be logical to assume that locals on the island don’t want any disruption to their trade either the legal or “shady” aspects of it and might have the full support of the local enforcement agencies. This means a code of silence prevails in the small community of those local to the island. Foreigners on the island involved in the tourist industry rely on the local authorities for visas and work permits so they too are unlikely to cause ripples. In fact as work permits are location specific it would be more or less impossible to work as a dive instructor in several places. The police investigation trial were roundly criticised by international media, human rights organisations, and legal experts. In December 2015, two Burmese men were convicted of the murder and sentenced to death. Attempts to appeal the sentence failed, but it was commuted to life by the King. The local authorities were concerned the murders might affect tourism to the island, with arrivals dropping in the months following the murders. In the long term up until Covid these fears proved unfounded. The prime minister General Prayuth, who was Junta chief at the time, surprised many by suggesting that the blame, at some level, was with attractive victims. “Will [tourists] survive in Thailand if they dress in bikinis?” He added that they would if “they are not beautiful.” Here’s a (partial) list of deaths on the island. They may not be murders but they illustrate a lack of public safety awareness and a consistent policy by the authorities and their allies to sweep matters under the carpet and keep up the image of “nothing to see here” resulting in a lack of normal procedural processes in the event of a death. Many of the families of the deceased are still unhappy with the way their relatives’ deaths were handled by the police – lack of procedure and transparency…… Jan 2000 - Ian Jacobs - family still not happy with inconsistencies in the police account. Body was found in a "well" 2002 – Viret Asaiachin shot dead in broad daylight – an organised crime like assassination. Japanese tourist died after drinking game 2012 - Ben Harrington,32, died when he crashed during a moped ride 2013 - Tony Cordullo - owner of the Lotus bar January 1, 2014 - Nick Pearson, 25, was found floating in an island bay, at the foot of a 50ft drop following a night out with his family on New Year's Eve. His body was found at the beach at the Hillside Resort on Koh Tao. 2014 - Hannah Witheridge and David Miller – the “Koh Tao Murders”. November 2014 - Swiss tourist Hans Peter Suter, 44, December 2014 – Silje Mathisen – scuba / boating incident. January 1, 2015- Frenchman, Dimitri Povse, 29, was found hanging from the beam of a rented house on. Although both of his hands were tied behind the back Jan 21, 2015 - British woman, Christina Annesley, 23, was found in a room at the In Touch Resort on. February 16, 2015, - Russian tourist Valentina Novozhyonova, 23, vanished from her hostel on Koh Tao. January 6, 2016 - British Bricklayer Luke Miller, 26, was found at the bottom of a swimming pool at the Sunset Bar at Sairee Beach on. His family accused the Thai police of a cover-up. 16 February 2017 - Canadian mother of 3, Shelly Bot was struck and killed by a Koh Tao water taxi taking a short cut on. Island locals falsely claimed that she was snorkelling in a boat lane. Her partner was also struck and injured. April 27, 2017 - Belgian backpacker Elise Dallemagne, 30, was found hanging from a tree. June 2018 - German Bernd Grotsch's body was found at his home deep in the jungle in the Mae Haad part of Koh Tao. He had recently returned to the island after building up a motorbike rental business. October 9, 2018 - Alexandr Bucspun, 33, from Moldova, was found dead in the sea off Had Sai Ree on Koh Tao on Tuesday,. 17/12/2018 - Rocio Leticia Gomez 39 from Argentina was lost at sea, rescued but died 4 days later. Another tragedy kept quiet!! June 2019 – Samyak Choudhray – drowned whilst snorkelling In 2020 a tourist was attacked with a knife by a well known character ob the island June 2021 – A married couple - .A millionaire hotel tycoon and his wife have been found dead in a luxury resort on Koh Tao Rakeshwar Sachathamakul and wife, Anshoo 2023 Nicholas Giblin passed away in his sleep. This is probably true, but his death has highlighted the problem of Koh Tao, which now has a reputation and the local police do nothing to alleviate this. Many of the families of those who died are not happy with the circumstances or explanations of their relatives deaths. Every death of a foreigner on Koh Tao will be treated with a certain amount of suspicion misgiving, , reservation, scepticism, distrust. and this will rumble on unless there is a concerted effort by the authorities to establish transparency and honesty in the proceedings. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting_in_Thailand#:~:text=The squatters settlements were of,land owned by the Crown.

you just can't stop yourself, can you?

like everyone without and argument you have now resorted to sealioning - just give up! here's a list - not comprehensive of Khao Tao deaths ... an Jacobs 2000; Virat Asavachin (Mr Ban) 2002; Hiroshi 2002; Yoshie Sazawa (Sharlyn) 2004; Ben Harrington 2012; Anthony Cardullo 2013 (USA); Nick Pearson 2014; Hannah Witheridge 2014; David Miller 2014; Hanspeter Suter 2014; Silje Mathisen 2014; Dimitri Povse 2015; Christina Annesley 2015; Luke Miller 2016; Shelley Bot 2017; Valentina Novozhenova 2017; Elise Dallemagne 2017; Bernd Grotsch 2017; Rocio Gomez; Samyak Choudhary; and A Thai/Indian couple circa June 2021. You are being very amateurish - you obviously haven't researched this topic at all and have very limited knowledge of it yet you are quite happy to randomly gainsay anything people who have researched say about it....so you have now resorting to sealioning!

murders in Glasgow in the past 2 years Population of Glasgow is about 600.000 Has Europe’s second highest murder rate..... Glasgow (3.3 per 100,000), Population of Koh Tao 2100 + 3000 workers + about 7500 tourists on any one day. Suspicious Deaths in the last 3 years about 6 So it could exceed Glasgow’s rate tenfold. If you are unaware of the problems on Koh Tao - which even the Thai authorities have alluded to - take a look at these web sites...... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/04/20/murder-in-paradise-a-chilling-documentary-about-the-koh-tao-murd/ http://thailandjustice.com/koh-tao-suspicious-crimes-deaths/

At least eleven European tourists have died or disappeared there since 2014

No your figures are wrong - the population of the island is never that high on a monthly basis for a stat and there have been many more deaths than that.

This shows a basic misunderstanding of the situation on manyThai islands. THe island is likely dominated by a "family of influence". The murder rate by population actually is higher than Glasgow.

It always surprises me how people can live for such a long time in Thailand and remain oblivious to what is going on around them. No one is "lying", you just sound desparate saying things like that. If you truly understand the history of Koh Tao and many other islands and how they came to be run, then you'd understand how the situation on K/T is not only plausible but also not unique. We are talking "Chao pho". It is a situation that commonly leads to problems like this arising. In over 20 years, I have had personal experience of Chao pho on Samui and other locations.

Poaching is one problem but encroachment on habitat is another - there is nothing to say that these tigers haven't been driven here from another location

you responses are predictable and show an inability to construct an intelligent argument - QED like most of your "refernces" or rather one quote wonders you really don't seem to understand sealioning although you do it all the time. Sealioning – comes from the noise a sealion makes – it is similar to a small kid who finds he can get an adult’s attention by repeating the word “why?” is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, A Sea-Lion need never provide their own facts or logic, need never actually scrutinize the qualifications of their debate partner or the weight behind their claims. All a Sea-Lion need do is create this false framework of objective cordial discussion. It is a form of harassment by those with no real argument.

THe article I posted is for links to other sources - I don't think you know how to do that.

She didn't start them - the rumours/stories/events have a much longer history than her. Whatever you may think of her reporting etc. you can't avoid th fact that the police behaviour after the couple's murder would have cancelled out any chance of a trial in any "democratic" country.

Yellowtail. There is plenty of evidence of oil companies trying to deny MMCC. I'm surprised you are not familiar with it as you seem interested in the CC debate. There have been plenty of academic and peer reviewed papers on this But if you need a summary... and I think you do..... read this article... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/oil-companies-climate-change-propaganda-b1930583.html%3famp You really need to do your own proper research rather than sealioning others.

You are sealioning. Do you not accept MMCC? If so provide a reasoned argument...repeated passive aggressive requests for citations just shows you can't argue a point yourself

This is an example of the abject ignorance that people display who don't understand the basics of MMCC

You use a chain of cliches that are unsupported by any evidence and unhelpful to understanding the true nature of the problem.... "children addiction Peddle etc etc ." This is the language of the uninformed....you also dont understand how drugs actually affect people.... "down the toilet" These are archaic cliches and show a misunderstanding of how drugs directly affect people. All drugs create problems and have dangers to the users/abusers but a blanket prohubition is totally illogical. Most of these people whether alcohol,coke, snack or pot need support not incarceration or legal penalties. We can clearly see the war on drugs by the USA was an abject failure that has had negative effects around the world. Thailands "legalisation" of marijuana has been incompetent and chaotic. As yet there is no evidence of an increase in negative affects only media conjecture but it is nevertheless a good example of how not to do things.

me neither.

some perspective...Thaksin is certainly no more or less corrupt than any other politician regardless of political persuasion - the only difference with him is he was democratically elected.