kwilco

now you aren't even discussing the topic. My arguments are objective yours aren't so actually don't even qualify as an argument. you are "Dunning Krugering" the discussion. you don't even understand that personal experience is anecdotal

Absolutely.

100% incorrect - that kind of think is why Thailand has such a high death rate - usually from people who don't realise what terrible drivers they are themselves.

"Assume" - I agree, you can't assume in a situation like this - you need proof and evidence - if it was LAW - then a logical ASSUMPTION would be that he was wearing one - (you need to appreciate the limitations of protection offered by a helmet - especially the ones in Thailand). However the only witness will be an untrained impoverished police officer who wasn't at the scene when it happene and wandered around making assumptions of his own. Unfortunately the family have now got to prove to the insurance company he was wearing a helmet - as there is no satisfactory police report, this will be nigh-on impossible one way or the other but as it is, the insurance company will keep their money....and possibly a local bobby might get a reward. If however the guy WASN"t wearing a crash helmet it goes to show that the most stupid drivers in Thailand are the foreigners - they have laws at home and driver education and enforcement that makes them dress safely - yet these "superb" drivers after a couple of days in Thailand revert to the stupidity that they falsely accuse Thai people of.

You need to read both the Thai road rules and then read the road...... you are in the wrong! "main road" - really!?? that is of course a British definition. It is a common symptom of foreign drivers in Thailand that especially from countries with low fatality rates, that they fail to realise wht bad drivers they themselves are and how their home road safety sytem protects then=m from their own stupidity. - take for instance the riding of motorcycles wiithout crash helmets or protective clothing - as soon as the law turns its back, the stupidity returns.

You don't even understand why that is evidence of the dreadful first responder situation in Thailand.

from the word go your argument is valueless - You have no idea what rubbish that is - you are citing anecdotal evidence which is of little or no value whatsoever - I doubt by your reply you aren't in any way qualified to pass an opinion on medical matters and you seem to know nothing about how the Thai healthcare system works or the emergency services which are crucial to road victim survival - e.g the "golden hour".

Both are irrelevant to me argument...and are you saying the police didn't atend this crash (it's not an accident)

You are stating the obvious but you seem to have forgotten the context. this is one of the reasons why e cannot say for sure what happened

You are making baseless assumptions - Thailand has dreadful hospitals and care is dependant on ability to pay. Ine of the most serious factors in RTIs is that Thailand has no proper emergency services, no trained first responders and no uniform, centralised ambulance services.

So this is why the death rate in Thailand is so high. WHERE IS THE CRASH REPORT? he truth is that the Thai police are simply not sufficiently trainined in crash and road safety protocol. It is unlikely, in fact almost certain that the accident was not properly calibrated and analysed by the police so things like crash helmet, speed etc. will never be known within normal acceptable standards of proof. failure to analyse and calibrate accidents means that Thailand has no knowledge of what is going on and cannot introduce effective road safety measures

I've been driving extensively for over 20 years in Thailand and I can say that Thai road users DO care a lot about road safety. You also make a classic foreign driver's mistake. Thailand has a priority from the left rule ...... they pull out because they can. This is engrained in Thai driving, you need to learn and adapt. Years ago the priority from the right rule in France caused British driver's to moan about it in France for the same reasons. When you drive in a foreign country you need to learn to drive to their highway codes and not expect people to drive like they do back home. Thai drivers are familiar with driving in Thailand you only have a short period of experience and you need to anal,yse more what is going on around you. If you find youself getting angry with other road users in Thailand the fault is most likely with you.

. Helmet wearing varies from region to region in Thailand You are making a connection that is on association rather than causation . It's like you're looking out of your window and making generalisations on personal/anecdotal evidence. The key factor is enforcement - in Thailand making something "illegal" doesn't mean you can't get away with it....you can often pay the police and it "goes away" you may be the kind of person who does stupid things until someone fines you but most people act on a safety factor because they understand that it makes sense. Simply winding up the fines on their own achieves nothing significant. They need to be part of a "holistic" road safety policy that at present the Thai authorities don't have.

That's only one statististic. Thailand has the same number of crashes as the UK. Thailand has slightly less fatalities in 4 wheeled vehicles than the uSA. So you need to analyse the statistics to work out why the actual death rate is so high.

The "deterrent " argument is rather ŵeak one. You need to consider how the law works in Thailand and not the US, which ƁTW, has a really bad road safety record for a developed cou try.

Laos is as bad and going to get worse...check this year's figures for Luang Prabang

Yes, same old cliche. Actually 3 harvests a year are not the rule. Maize has been shown not to have a great contribution. There is a rice lobby trying to minimise their responsibility and deflect attention from their burning. However the big problem arises from when burning takes place and its coincidence with the cool dry season. Rice does most of the harvesting then. The government has fir a long time tried to discourage multiple rice cropping as not only does it increase green house gas emissions at other times of the year, it affects water supplies and damages wildlife in catchment areas. The thing is that burning is not only not necessary it isn't good agricultural practice. If they desist and use other methods, everyone would be better off. It isn't just a Thailand problem, see how countries with dimilar crops and a more organised agricultural system deal with it.

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about...I think you should look up 15 minutes cities

"Abide to"?

The salacious reporting of road accidents is nothing more than confirmation bias. In fact it distorts the picture and obscures the true situation with regards to road safety in Thailand by reinforcing archaic stereotypes. This in turns hinders understanding of road safety and the public's ability to understand how to deal with it

Forest fires make a significant contribution to the "haze". ...there have even been some papers that try to deflect the responsibility away from crop burning but they may well have vested interests to influence them. There are also those who try to mitigate the effects of rice burning. The fact is that sugar and rice and forestry are the main culprits, but there are thousands of small enterprises contributing to the haze that should and could be prevented. BTW forest fires are man made too. Backburning is one source but at this time of year burning is used by mushroom collectors to help the culture of highly lucrative mushroom cropping. For whatever reason not only do these fires contribute to the haze but they often get out of control and major forest fires ensue.... they are not usually the result of "lightning", they are rotten started by rangers hoping to get a little more income. I've witnessed several man made fires in national parks in the last few weeks . This haze is now dramatically affecting tourism in the Northand central Thailand....it is almost a closed season...... as tourism potentially contributes more to the Thai economy than agriculture and the alternatives will benefit both, itcan only be government ignorance that prevents them from introducing aid, subsidies and other measures to minimise the disruption.

Be clear, there are no laws that restrict personal movement. The idea is to make longer journeys not necessary...

beware of pollution in Rayong - air, soil, water and sea.. there is a huge amount of industrial development in the area too.

QED - can't look critically at the reports.

You seem unable to take a rational critical appraisal of this incident. just don't seem to realise how little you know. I think it is very insensitive and arrogant to speak thus of the deceased when thanks to the general reporting on this crash we know absolutely nothing for sure about it....you are relying on prejudice and assumption...you seem to be taking a very low-brow approach if you don't mind me saying