kwilco

It’s not just pizza, it’s all Italian food - Italian food encompasses a vast range of culinary traditions from different regions, each with its own unique flavours and ingredients. In typical Italian tradition, Pizza is a regional dish. Here are some reasons why you will find differences in Italian food outside of Italy: Firstly the ingredients. Freshness and quality: Italy has a strong emphasis on using the freshest, seasonal ingredients. Outside of Italy, it is usually impossible to access the same quality and variety of produce, especially the regional varieties and specialties. (Similarly, I usually buy chillies in Thailand to take back to UK family restaurant as they have quite a different taste from the chillies usually available in UK which come from India.) Certain ingredients are just not readily available and are substituted with inferior versions, leading to a different taste profile. Even the most diligent “competent” chef can’t avoid this. Italy has farming that often differ from those in other countries, resulting in variations in flavours and texture of ingredients that may look identical – even though they are genetically different. Italian cooking techniques and traditions don’t travel – chefs take short cut or “innovate” or “improve” – to the cost of authenticity. This is often dictated by availability and economics Most restaurants outside of Italy don’t traditional techniques and recipes. They adapt dishes to suit local tastes or use shortcuts, which can alter the flavour. They lack skill and knowledge. Even if they are of Italian decent, it is still necessary to master traditional Italian cooking and this takes time and the experience of mentors. Cooks outside Italy simply don’t have the same level of expertise, leading to variations in execution. The way food is prepared and presented in Italy is often connected to specific cultural rituals and traditions. Recreating those aspects outside of Italy can prove impossible, impacting the overall experience. What we expect is often erroneous. What we consider to be "Italian food" outside of Italy is often influenced by stereotypes - popular restaurants and media misrepresentations, which are inaccurate reproductions of the diverse culinary landscape of Italy. Taste is of course subjective, and what one person finds delicious, another might find uninspiring – or they may not have ever tasted Italian food in Italy. I personally don’t mind eating things called “pizza” from other parts of the world – (but then my nick name is “dustbin”) – but they are not real Italian pizzas as anyone from Italy will know. I’m sure conversely you will be able to find bad pizzas in Italy – especially in the most touristic areas. Italian food has constantly evolved throughout history, influenced by regional variations and external factors. So, even "authentic" Italian food can look and taste different depending on the specific region and time period. But it still won’t travel outside the country. Ultimately, the best way to appreciate Italian food is to keep an open mind and try dishes from different regions and restaurants, both inside and outside of Italy. Then you’ll realise that Italian food just doesn’t travel outside Italy

thank tyou - I know it goes beyond what the bootless and unhorsed can conceive - and if you can't conceive, you probably don't think it exists...such a blinkered and philistine mindset. I bet you drink and smoke and still think you have a sense of taste?

You don't drink wine with pizza, it's eaten with beer. I don't drink anymore You can tell the difference easily - just buy me a pizza in Italy and I will tell you.

Everything you say in your post is misinformed you show you totally don't understand Italian food when you say "Let's take Neapolitan style." - it not a "style" - Naples is where the pizza originated. you can't just "import" the ingredients and even with a competent chef get the right result. Pizza comes from native ingredients and local skills that simply don't travel - in fact some of the worst "Italian" food is the result of Italian emigrants. Pizza has a history and a reason for being - it celbrated a newly unified Italy and is a traditon of flatbreads common in por societies around the world, each has its own unique local methodology and flavourings and people who think Neapolitan is a "style" re the ones whose minds are closed., to the real histroy and cgharacter of a pizza. THe fact is if you eat pizza in Italy - you will never regard any pizza outsode as the same thing, whether it's the flour, the condiments, the water or just the air - it is never reproduced outsode Italy where they respect regional dishes and know that pizza is not a style -it IS Neapolitan. I quite like some American pizza replicas - but the fact they call it a pie just sums up that it ISN"T a pizza....it's just a nice pastry. (the toppings are joke, though) Italian food doesn't travel. PS - to get an idea most people on this site who live in Thailand should be aware that Thai food doesn't travel well either.

Sorry but they aren't and those who think they are don't know Italian cooking very well.

Anyone who has eaten pizza in Italy would never call the monstrosities available outside that country pizzas. They may be entertaining to eat (i perosnally will eat anything) but thy are not pizzas.

I don't know what that is but if it's got pineapple on it, you need to be shot!

THat will have no significant effect - just think how it could even happen. Thai road safety problems are much more deep rooted that the average observer seems to believe.

I don't see the significance of the OP photo - it looks like a tree has been blown down - not a lot you can do about that - except examine the state of the road and remover trees that are likely to be blown down. One needs to bear in mind that holiday period casulaties are often LESS than the overall average. THis may in part be due to the compulsory removal of commercial traffic and a reduced number of motorcyclists. also worth noting that the number of crashes over last Songkhran in Thailand was about the same as in UK last Easter. YTHe difference is the severity of injuries.

THere is a post that seriously ill-informed about road safety and how it works.

THe government is now back-pedalling again they won't introduce this until 2025. THe principal is the same - if you are a British citizen fall in love and marry a foreigner the government tells you that they have no right to live in the UK unless you are in a minority high-income bracket.

no I was there around then too.

What did you mean - that's wht you siad. the in/out differetial this year is 750,000 whic=h is higher than ever. THe cause is losss of workers due to Brexit.

It\s dome the complete opposite - just from other regions.

It's for spouses and immediate family of UK citizens

Immigration has hugely increased since Brexit.

No it's spouses and dependants - could cold have been married for years - but if not in UK the new income rules apply from the spring.

basically shows how little you understand

The measures apply now...it is the income level that is changing. It is a relatively small part of legal immigration that is being addressed..the numbers are small. It does not address any illegal immigration issues. Apart from making some spouses illegal in the future. It does however affect some UK citizens who live in Thailand and may already have a Thai spouse and although married for many years, if they haven't applied yet to give their spouse residency will from the spring, find they have to jump a much higher hurdle.

They are lowering the limit for now but will gradually increase it to 38k. This measure only addresses a small amount of LEGAL migration it does nothing to address people crossing the channel or illegal immigration. It means that most British spouses will need to have a degree level job to afford to bring a foreign spouse to UK. If you have already applied then the old minimum wage level applies. If you have been living abroad and married for years, your spouse will need to apply under the new level. This will be 29k but rising to 39 later. Most UK retirees are below these levels anyway

As it seems your vocabulary only stretches to suggest I've swallowed dictionary (this is defensive for "I had to loo it up"?) - my guess is you don't recognise a false dichotomy when you use one? PS - as you don't seem to understand the word facile either here's the appropriate definition - "ignoring the true complexities of an issue; superficial" - as you see, te comment is self-explanatory to most.

an utterly facile and spurious argument.

"The undisclosed tiger zoo and farm is not being named by WFFT" whether they did or not, it's common knowledge that it is Mukda Zoo and Farm. Mukdahan province

probably the most facile comment on the thread? have you given ANY thought to this topic?

please explain....