heybruce

"the possibility that protected, privileged material may be mixed in among the detritus also" Does Executive Privilege still exist for Trump after has ceased to be the executive? I think the courts have ruled that it exists only with the current President, not the former. "The answer is complicated, but the outcome, in the case of Donald J. Trump v. Bennie G. Thompson (the head of the House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection), should be clear: The views of the incumbent president outweigh the position of his predecessor." https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/12/biden-nixon-trump-executive-privilege/

I don't know where they will find someone who understands the applicable laws regarding executive privilege and has a security clearance that goes way beyond TS. I have no problem with such a person being appointed special master if someone can be found, but the difficulty in finding such a person should not be allowed to slow down the investigation.

MLM still exists in Thailand, Amway and something called Sapp888 are examples, and primarily draws in poor people who are desperate to make money. Of course very few do.

"It is "reported" that all the former presidents have some classified information in their homes." Riiiggghhttt... No need for a source for such a claim, I'm sure everyone will take your word for it. ????????????

For those who don't know, people who work in an environment in which they are immersed in classified will sometimes inadvertently make references to classified in emails and voice communications. Such security breaches usually carry little risk, but they are breaches and when found are usually dealt with through low level disciplinary action or training. An inadvertent release of classified has never led to criminal prosecution. Taking entire highly classified documents out of a secure location, keeping them for over a year and refusing to return them is an entirely different kind of security violation.

I can only speculate, but I suspect Russia has a very limited stockpile of Kinzhal missiles, and may have difficulty producing more with the sanctions in place. The same is probably true for other precision weapons, so Russia relies on the old WWII tactic of massive artillery barrages with unguided weapons. It's effective, if you don't care about civilian casualties.

So the FBI reclaimed the government property before Trump could claim squatters rights. There are laws against trespassing, as there are laws against theft. The law requires trespassers to vacate property that doesn't belong to them, and requires thieves (Trump) to return property that was stolen. If the stolen property isn't returned, law enforcement has the right to take action. The opinions of two lawyers who argue that the law didn't specifically prohibit a departing President from stealing stuff from the White House don't impress me.

Show me the law that says I can't squat in your house. If Trump can legally take documents that are not his and keep them even after requests to return them, can people do the same with money from a bank? To my knowledge no law regarding legal ownership of property or law against theft specifies that stolen property must be returned when possible. It's assumed, with good reason. Trump defenders are getting desperate if the are now arguing that Trump hasn't done anything illegal when he takes property that is not his and refuses to return the property.

The Presidential Records Act makes it clear that the President's records are government property. Two lawyers are arguing that since the act does not specifically state that a former President can't keep this property that it's ok for Trump to steal the stuff. Imagine if I were to squat in your house. Would you accept the legal argument that even though it is undeniably your house and you want it back, the law doesn't specifically state that I can't squat in your house? Sounds like BS to me.

They didn't take his passports. "§ 51.7 Passport property of the U.S. Government. (a) A passport at all times remains the property of the United States and must be returned to the U.S. Government upon demand. (b) Law enforcement authorities who take possession of a passport for use in an investigation or prosecution must return the passport to the Department on completion of the investigation and/or prosecution." https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/51.7

Of course. Trump's library would have menu's from around the world and, um,.....other stuff? Edit: Come to think of it, only menu's of basic American food. I don't think he was much of a gourmet.

"inventory of my property that was taken..." His property?

I thought conservatives liked trust fund babies--Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump...

I'm sure officials won't abuse this law in any way. ????

You nailed it. In Florida it is the farm and small business lobbies. I assume the same is true in many states.

My concern with DeSantis is the same concern I have for all Republicans on the Trump side of Liz Cheney: They have shown little respect for the conduct of elections and the count. They might not incite a mob to storm the Capitol, but they will restrict voter registration and allowable means of voting as much as possible, and they may dispute any election result they don't like interminably. They will constantly test to limits of how much they can get away with. DeSantis is smart enough to implement such laws more effectively than many elected officials have the intellect to do. Or he may just do as he does now in Florida and make a big show out of signing laws that he knows will be shot down in court. Either way, it's not good for democracy.

Thank you. The Woke Bill is another example of DeSantis' just for show actions: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-woke-law-blocked-by-judge-over-first-amendment-issues/ Unless DeSantis is a total idiot (probably not true) he knew this would happen. So he's wasting taxpayer money defending a law a Harvard Law educated person should know would have no chance of holding up in court. I can't name any governor that is taking real action against illegal immigrants working in their states. That is why I know what is happening at the border is not a crisis; if it were there would be an effort to shut down the hiring that motivates most of the immigrants to come to the country in the first place. DeSantis did sign into law a bill that requires employers to us E-verify verify the immigration status of the people they hire, but with an amendment you can drive busloads of illegals through: "Simmons’ amendment excludes farmers and agricultural employers, including those who recruit and transport seasonal migrant workers, and exempts “public contractors” and “subcontractors” with fewer than 10 employees and contracts less than $65,000." https://www.thecentersquare.com/florida/florida-e-verify-bill-amended-to-exclude-agriculture-employers/article_5d050b4e-4da1-11ea-9e91-1b1c6a06b787.html The "crisis at the border" is also all for show. If it were a real crisis Governors like DeSantis would crack down on those that hire illegal immigrants.

Based on what, Fox News appearances? DeSantis, like Trump, is all about the show and not about results. Can you name anything DeSantis has done for Florida that hasn't bogged down in court? Do you think DeSantis, a Harvard Law graduate, did not know his "just for show" laws would not be modified or thrown out in court? They get good press in some circles, which is all they were intended to do. Illegal immigration is a good example: Lot's of song and dance about fighting it, but zero action against illegal immigrants working in Florida or the people hiring them.

I seem to have touched a nerve. We do know that the documents are government property, we do know that Trump took them, we do know that he failed to return them when requested.... We know the basics, and the basics point to theft of government property.

Every simple sentence I wrote leading to the conclusion that the documents were stolen began with "Nobody disputes..." Has anyone disputed any of those statements? Do you dispute that the documents are government property, that Trump took them, that Trump didn't return them after months of negotiations and even lied, through his lawyer, about having them?

Let me make this very simple for you: No one disputes that the documents are and always have been government property. No one disputes that Trump took them when he left the White House. No one disputes that Trump did not return the documents when asked to and denied having them. No one disputes that Trump had the documents which were found on his property after a legally authorized search. That's stealing, plain and simple.

"The American public views the unprecedented raid on an ex President's house.." The Trump public fixates on the unprecedented search of an ex-President's house. The American public fixates on the unprecedented theft of government documents by a departing President who then refused to return them after months of negotiations. The Trump public believes their cult leader can do no wrong. The American public doesn't believe former Presidents are above the law. They also take anything said by convicted felon Roger Stone with a huge grain of salt.

Even by Florida Man standards that is crazy! And dangerous.

Says the poster who assumes anyone who doesn't agree with him watches CNN.????

In other words, you assume people who disagree with you watch CNN (I don't), assume they are therefore misinformed (ba assumption) but won't disclose your superior sources of information. Let me guess; Breitbart? Russia Today? Qanon?