Chomper Higgot

^This. With the exception of the rare occasions I get poor service I always tip and tip generously. In addition to the usual, restaurants, bars, cafes, taxis etc, I always leave a tip for the rooms maids in hotels; if I’m staying more than one night I tip on my fist morning. I don’t leave a big tip in the room on checkout, ‘floor managers’ have a habit of ‘sweeping’ rooms on the checkout day. I give every tip with an added ‘thank you’, face to face or in a written note. Oddly, I get excellent service in places I’ve previously tipped at. I don’t eat or drink more than once with people who don’t tip. If they want good service they can pay for it themselves.

It would be even more interesting to know what vaccine they had, when they had it and the outcome of their infections.

This is why scientist examine data, not anecdotes. It’s also why scientists examine the source and veracity of data before applying it in their research.

Did you read the article before posting? Vaccinated individuals who suffer breakthrough infections can carry as high a viral load as non vaccinated. 1. Breakthrough infections are the small number of of vaccinated people who get sick with COVID - already significantly less than unvaccinated people. 2. ‘Can carry as high a viral load’ is not ‘do always carry the same viral load’. 3. ‘Viral load’ is not transmission of infection. 4 The evidence is consistently mounting, vaccinations are drastically reducing the spread of this wretched disease:

The upshot of that is, your personal safety from COVID is dependent on sufficient numbers of others being vaccinated such as to drive the COVID R0. below 1. You are an example of the vulnerable people who are protected by mass vaccination of others. I did my bit, I got my shots. Stay safe.

Well that and the fact we are on the grips of a COVID pandemic, not a Flu pandemic.

I have health insurance with Aetna (sponsors of this sub forum), Aetna cover COVID illness to the value of the policy.

The evidence is indisputable, the risks from the vaccine are several orders of magnitude less than the risks from the virus. So please don’t give us your one sided risk equation, it’s a misrepresentation of what needs to be considered. All vaccines, like all medicines, carry a risk, that you aren’t aware of those risks from vaccines administered in the years before online anti vaccine misinformation campaigns is not a surprise, it is not evidence that those risks did not exist. As for your wanting assurances of being compensated in the case of serious complications from the vaccine, you are once again engaging in a one sided equation, a misrepresentation of what needs to be considered. Refusing the vaccine carries a significantly increased risk of serious illness and hospitalization (let alone death). When you and others refuse the vaccine you are at higher risk of serious illness and hospitalization, you, and they, expect healthcare services, hospital beds, doctors, nurses, medical equipment and treatments to be available to you. You conveniently (for your argument) omit this side of the equation. This has consequences. Places with low uptake of the vaccines are facing overload of their health services, Idaho and Alaska being two perfect examples, hospitals now operating triage as a direct result of anti-vaxxers overloading the healthcare systems. And of course there remains the much higher risk of death amongst the unvaccinated. Well I hear it said, death is the new stupid.

Go get the advice of a Doctor. And don’t take anymore ‘free offers’ until you have done so.

If warm humid climates mates have some impact, how is the advent of the cold/flu season (winter) going to increase infections and why are the warm humid southern states of the US so hard hit with hospitalizations and deaths?

Because the temperature and humidity in Thailand are higher than that in the human lung?!

Take some comfort in the knowledge that the vaccine has greatly reduced the probability of your two 70+ relatives dying a horrible death from this wretched disease.

Your opening posts suggests you are talking about symptoms after the vaccine.

This is a curious thing. Bradycardia is not recognized as a side effect from the Pfizer vaccine, see link below. This could be that it’s so rare that it doesn’t reveal itself in the data. This gives rise to the conditional probability problem. Probability of person A suffering rare side effect given that person B suffers that side effect.

I also had a very positive reaction. A profound sense of relief.

Alternatively. The absence of politically driven anti-vaccine propaganda and the existence of social responsibility in acting for the collective good are helping Thai society respond responsibly to this public health emergency. I have little doubt the people of Thailand will achieve near 100% vaccination if the Government make the vaccines available.

Please clarify, did both get all these symptoms? Or Is this a list of the symptoms that they got between them?

There are a number of differences between UK (English society) and Thai society, there are also some significant differences between how each Government reacted to the pandemic. Unlike the UK Thailand does not have large numbers of old people living in ‘care homes’. in The UK these have accounted for very large numbers of COVID deaths. Housing and lifestyle differences are also significant. In Thailand much more of daily life and interactions take place out of doors than in the UK. Outdoor markets, outdoor restaurants and generally spending time outside rather than in the house. Mass transport is very much much more used in the UK than in Thailand. Motorcycles are used more than cars. All these activities outside in the fresh air compared with people in the UK being predominantly indoors. The response of individuals has also been significantly different, mask usage in Thailand started very early in the pandemic, is and has always remained nearly 100% compliant. Temperature checks and hand cleansing is near universal. There is no anti mask, anti lockdown sentiment, people in Thailand have supported the public health response. The government responses have also differed, The UK government started off with its failed herd immunity experiment which resulted in a large number of deaths early in the pandemic. One particular difference I and others have noted is the part local community leaders play in combatting the disease. In the community I live in we’ve had a case of a young couple arriving from BKK but not following isolation. They were forcibly taken into isolation. We’ve had two cases of positive infection, these were announced on the village public address system. I arrived this week from Chonburi/Bangkok where I’ve been to get my vaccines. The local health official called the day I arrived to check my health and vaccination documents, without which I would have been required to isolate. I’m staying home anyway, but the local community leaders are on the case. I doubt many in the UK would accept such intrusion into their lives. Two entirely different societies dealing with the same virus, each in their own way and hence each seeing a different outcome.

I drove from our home on the cost through 12 provinces to our home in the mountains last night, went through one check point. There is a requirement to isolate for ten days but that only applies to people who are not double vaccinated.

I wonder, did she predict the Delta Strain would come along and scythe it’s way through populations? Or is that the exception that proves the rule?!

But not enough conviction to go get another job. So get the shots and continue to join the voices encouraging others not to get the shots. ’I’m all right Jack’ comes to mind.

And yet he we are with the Delta Strain which is far more virulent than its predecessors in this COVID-19 pandemic. COVID-19 Delta, piling up the bodies. An inconvenient fact staring you in the face.

Yes, I posted my experience of the process on this sub-forum and I have encouraged and actively helped others get their vaccine. Next.

So COVID hasn’t killed over 4.5million people and isn’t continuing to kill people?

Yes, luck is all you have going for you. COVID is going to be around for a long time, stay lucky.