Chomper Higgot

A clear majority of Germans have already been vaccinated, little surprise then that polls indicate majority support for the vaccines, restrictions on the unvaccinated and mandates. Added to which, it’s the unvaccinated who are at significantly higher risk of serious illness or death. Each serious illness and death will bring home the necessity of vaccination. There is no growth in unvaccinated people and no political future in unnecessary sickness and death.

Epidemiology 101, when a health problem is present across large parts of society, look for s society wide cause. Nobody chooses to be fat or suffer lung diseases, heart diseases or diabetes. These problems are a direct result of the Tobacco and Food Industries, both of which have used the identical misinformation and lobbying campaigns to protect their profits against the promotion of public health.

There is evidence all over this forum suggesting you give COVID a little more attention than that post claims.

You are making a false equivalence (which has been explained to you already). You are also misrepresenting the ‘use of medical services/hospital’ issue. Uptake of medical services by people suffering ‘life style diseases’ is a known near constant demand rate. COVID outbreaks create exponential demands on health services and present the additional problem of COVID patients placing health care staff at risk of infection.

So why so much effort objecting to a vaccine mandate?

Dreaming up more bogeymen outcomes as we go.

The unvaccinated very much more so.

Perhaps a little more humanity is required. 5.23 million human beings, mothers, fathers, children, brothers, sisters, husbands wives. 5.23 million people who loved and were loved. Go ahead, minimize this vast human suffering, doing so really does help your arguments. Some ‘Humanity’ would be an improvement.

So why are you so actively backing the side of the debate that directly increases illness and deaths?

Whereas, politicizing COVID, masks, social distancing, lockdowns and vaccines was not done to garner votes? The one aims to protect health and life, the other aims to give COVID a free run (with predictable result).

I would never advocate denying anyone the medical treatment they need. There is however a flip side to the deal. First the ‘Rights’ side: Medical treatment will always be given, paid for by others and provided by people putting their own health and lives at risk. Now the ‘Responsibility’ side: The Government mandate makes it a responsibility to get vaccinated, reduce your risk of becoming ill and requiring hospitalization and all associated costs and burdens on others.

Because, as you are fully aware, no vaccines prevents 100% of infections. They reduce the chance of infection, and greatly reduce serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths. They do not remove 100% of the risk. The doctor who you refer to, like all medical staff treating COVID patients would’ve have been very aware of that. His death is not a subject for your cheap (and failed) wise crack.

You are omitting to mention the outcomes of infections. Infections are only problematic where they cause serious sickness, long term sickness, hospitalizations or deaths. Vaccination greatly reduces all these outcomes and the associated cost burdens placed on wider society.

My observation was countering the suggestion that Thai motorists don't follow the rules, I observed most do but those who do not act with impunity. I chose to live here, I follow the rules, especially the rules of driving.

The thread has nothing to do with the 'Great Reset', 'Davos', or the 'WEF' though the part conspiracy theories play in anti-vaccine thinking is once again demonstrated.

Citizens elect Government and Government, which having been elected is empowered to pass laws to among other things address the first duty of Government, the safety of the nation and citizens.

But you just made an argument of a simple binary.

The right to choose on matters of health is not an absolute right, the use of illegal drugs being one example, enforced hospitalisation of mentally ill or those infected with contagious disease are others.

You’ll find the side effects of Pfizer-BioNTech listed in order of frequency in the attached; diarrhea is not listed so very odd that three people should have it. Perhaps they shared a meal that was not as healthy as it might have been.

Most people do follow the rules. Some don’t and it’s seldom they are called to account.

Peer reviewed and published research is one thing. A letter is opinion.

It’s a letter (opinion).

The information you have provided is useful, so thank you for posting, as is the information posted by others of actual experiences. This said, the title was odd, given the OP provides information, I suspect it might have reduced the audience, which is a shame. I suggest reading the final post of the thread to which you refer for a better understanding of what it was about.

In two very short paragraphs you manage to completely contradict yourself. Well done.

Then why the constant criticism of public health measures that are keeping millions of others safe? Millions who don’t live in semi-rural environments, cannot effectively socially isolate, may be subject to health conditions that raise their risk, or who’s work that places them at increased risk?