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5 minutes ago, welshguy said:Ive booked a 3 month trip to Thailand for this September (was going to book another 3 month trip January until just befor Songkraen too)....Ive already written off the September.....Id like to think , the January trip is still feasible............Im not optimistic though.
Its all well and good, Thailands tourism "opening up for business" again.....the only trouble is, I imagine for the vast majority of tourists, I can see problems getting insurance, covering covid 19 , their own country could very well be dvising people not to visit Thailand unless absolutely essential etc...wouldnt bother some people maye...it would certainly bother insurance companies!), a lot of airlines will probably go out of business, probably higher fares too, will probably need some sort of "covid free" certificate? (where would one obtain this from?!) , quarantine/self isolation, will most likely be needed on entering Thailand and upon entering your home country, etc etc etc.
Id love to go back this year! I really would,,I just dont see it happening though.
Most other countries are dealing with this virus in different ways.......Thailand has just shut most things...not looked after the majority of its workers.....then just expect to say we will be open for Tourism again soon world! Hope it works out for them....doubt it very much though!
Ive been coming to Thailand for almost 40 years now...I will be gutted if I cant come back this year ( even though Ive written it off already!) even with my most optimistic thoughts....I doubt I will be going in January next year too.....Hope Im wrong!
Im aware, lots and lots of people who travel to Thailand (maybe mostly the "once in a lifetime" visitors, as opposed to the "regular" Thai tourists..wont be aware of the "dirty farang" etc remarks.......Only trouble is. these "once in a lifetime" visitors, probably will have a better use for their "once in a lifetime" Thai holiday!?
It really is a dumb article. Countries have sky-high unemployment in addition to the things you mention above.
Who after losing half their life savings in the stock market or losing their jobs will be interested to travel to a country with a reputation as being overrun by Chinese tourists?
It makes no sense. Thailand can forget about a significant tourist industry for the next couple years until a vaccine or treatments are available.
They better think of something else, like perhaps wooing non-Chinese foreign companies leaving China to move some of their manufacturing to Thailand.
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7 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:I see that you did not understand anything.
We are not doing this to gain recognition from Thai people or immigration.
In Chiang Mai there is a very active section of the Rotary Club, there are Thai and farang in this section;I am sure they are helping as best they can without it being in the local papers
I'm not saying it was done for attention. I'm saying do it is shameful. Thais would hardly help Farangs and have no record of doing so. It's irresponsible to help them. How much charity does Thailand contribute to countries worse off? How about China? Similar culture. And not one of altruism. Especially not for Westerners.
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3 minutes ago, Matzzon said:
Apparently they seem to have managed the virus better than most.
Yes, apparently
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Shameful such Farangs don't seem to understand that they would NEVER be helped the same way.
Endlessly gullible marks
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18 minutes ago, Sujo said:
Even if thailand opens up and lifts quarantine it must rely on other countries doing the same.
No on is going on a holiday when upon return their home country quarantines them for 2 weeks.
Thailand can do nothing, it is in the hands of other countries.
And very few people will be looking to goto countries that are overrun with Chinese tour groups.
Thailand made its bed, treating Westerners very poorly recently.
Let's see if the government starts begging Westerners back, whoring themselves or if they have the pride to stick by their vision of a farang free Thailand.
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5 hours ago, webfact said:
First off, hotels need to change the narrative. The pathway to reopening Thailand’s Covid-19 stunted economic model is becoming clear, as the national curve of virus cases is statistically moving towards flatter terrain. Science matters.
Unusually well-written article for this publication. But, very poorly thought out. I suppose authors must turn out content as it's their job.
Thailand's official numbers provide no comfort to anyone with a brain. They are almost certainly wildly inaccurate.
That said, a much better article would have said something like -
It would be wise for hotels and other tourist related businesses to prepare for a post-covid world (whenever that is which could be a year or longer away) by engaging with the government and UPGRADING their infrastructure. And, working with the government to make sure all tourist related business is prepared to assist tourists who might contract COVID in Thailand. Work with the government and Insurance sectors to make sure tourists can get get health assistance, etc.
I'm so tired of all the 3rd rate media we get in Thailand. It really is the pitts.
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21 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:
Possibly, one thing i know for certain they are a damn sight healthier than Australians.
Probably not as much as one would think. Data from the WHO.
This is before you adjust for the well known fact that many Thais never goto the hospital and simply die in their villages. Thailand is the 2nd fattest country in Asia also.
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1 minute ago, silent said:
Sorry, but even as a layperon it shouldn't take much mass testing to determine if someone died
How would you know what killed them?
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
The key is tests per 1 million population. Thailand is VERY low on the list.
That's your answer.
Shameful so many westerners are so ill-informed.
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51 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:
Maybe the West's addiction to processed foods, refined sugar, MSG, hormone's and genetically modified food. Not to mention fluoridated water may be causing a weak immune system? Did you ever consider the fact that Thai people are just healthier than Westerners?
Are they also healthier than the Japanese and South Koreans?
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22 minutes ago, Sheryl said:All 4 of these countries have in common:
Young population
Very few elderly in institutions like nursing homes
Little to no use of mass transit
Extreme heat and sunshine
and except for VN, low population density.
What they have in common that's most relevant is none of the things you mention. It is that they have inadequate testing and public health infrastructure.
Sunlight and heat have been thoroughly disproven to have any positive impact on the virus and were only ever early speculations.
I'm sorry, we Westerners really do need to improve our standards of education and logic. It's out of control.
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47 minutes ago, Matzzon said:
I do not 100 % believe the numbers. That out of the reason they might be false as well as there has been mistakes made and people that forget. However, I do not look down on what is presented until there is proof for them to be false. If Thailands number would be false, as long as people on Thai Visa has been trying to point that out without proof. Why is there not same result as in Italy, France, Spain and USA? You just can´t manipulate that amount of dead people.
So, you give every new situation the benefit of doubt. You will trust until a reason not to. For you, past experience does not matter.
So, if you were walking through the plains of Africa and came upon a pack of lions, you would not change direction. You'd walk directly by them without fear. After all, there is no proof those particular lions are aggressive and will rip you apart.
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1 hour ago, Dmaxdan said:Credit where credit is due, Unless someone can come up with some concrete evidence to prove otherwise.
You're argument is EXACTLY wrong. It is what is called an appeal to authority. It's a logical fallacy. Look it up.
Thailand has the responsibility to prove and provide evidence of its claims. How much testing are they doing, for example?
Surely, everyone here understands you can't count what you don't test and confirm.
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OK. As many things as Thailand gets wrong, these netizens have this right. Good job. China needs to be isolated. Stop trading with them. Stop allowing their students in. Make it incredibly difficult for them to arrive as tourists. Let them proudly stay in China indefinitely.
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8 hours ago, Traubert said:
Bloomberg.
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The Japanese need to be very careful with the Thais. If the Thais try to play both sides (US and China) and allow large numbers of China firms to open in Thailand so the China companies can escape US and other Western country sanctions, the Japanese companies might get caught in the middle as Thai products are heavily penalised.
The Thais already announced they would be open to such an arrangement with China. I kind of hope they are dumb enough to take the risk and have the entire economy collapse, as China's is going to.
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7 hours ago, donnacha said:After past outbreaks, Korea has some of the world's leading epidemiologists. They dealt with their outbreak with national action, extensive testing, and absolute transparency.
If you want to understand the true nature of Thailand's astonishing success in preventing Covid-19, have a bit of a think about what Korea have just done.
Yes, Thailand's astonishing success just like China's unbelievable - meaning not able to believed - success.
Simple solution to low reported numbers:
1. don't test much
2. don't report all cases
3. attribute covid deaths to other causes like heart failure or lung failure
Easy
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4 hours ago, The Engineer said:
The thing is that many Farang live here and are around the whole year. That is why statistics like these are not very useful. Because migrant workers are also mentioned, who actually take money out of the country, while the long-staying Farangs (by definition) bring in more money the whole year around. The shown statistics have absolutely no value with respect to economic figures. Believe me, I think Farang add 40% or may be even more of tourist income to Thailand. You can easily work out some scenarios. They also buy condo's, rent rooms, pay to Immigrations, maintenance fees, and many more. Chinese and Indian tourists do not; they come with very cheap bustours, which include very cheap food, may buy a souvenir, but that;s it. Migrant workers sleep with 4-10 in a dormitory and spend no money.
Unfortunately the real economic figures are not shown. it will further change in the coming years as well, when more and more Farangs change Thailand for more friendly and intelligent Cambodia and Vietnam. Who is willing to buy my condo ?????
Agree. And don't forget the Chinese and Indians are not even getting regular handjobs.
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1 hour ago, webfact said:
SCB sees viral spike in online banking
Bad headline, but good try though.
Is it not enough to simply say 'sharp increase'?
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On 4/7/2020 at 9:50 PM, spermwhale said:
If there was a significant undercounting of new cases in actuality we would know about them. Hospitals would be overflowing. They are mostly empty right now
How do you "know" they are empty?
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No big loss.
They don't learn anything useful anyway
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23 minutes ago, NanLaew said:
Most of them already go home in the low season to help on the farm so yes, maybe they will do more of that.
Anyway, lost tourism means only 9% to 17% of GDP that needs to be replaced. Pretty sure the already mature services sector can fill the gap and the younger more agile generation of workers will easily retrain and adapt.
The notion that Thailand will become a total basket case after all the foreigners stop coming is quite funny. Did you come up with that one yourself?
Good luck. When the Thai economy is in tatters, all the fanboys and girls will vanish from the forums overnight. I've seen it before. Until then, they continue to provide us entertainment.
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10 minutes ago, 473geo said:Why the downer on Thai people
Relax, you pay your way in Thailand, you adhere to the requests for information, you remain dignified, polite and understanding and 99% of the time life is ok
Alternatively, try insisting you have 'rights' be aggressive, moan and complain about Thai skills and attitude, voice opinions about how bad the system is you are set for a disappointing time
Thai people are concerned about the virus, they would probably really prefer these farang tourists had gone home rather than take the selfish gamble of being stranded and risk the health of the Thai IOs by cramming into an already crowded office
But then selfish the 'tourists' have been, and, selfish they continue to remain, my sympathy lies with the Thai office workers who have to face this kind of person in this kind of environment clearly tourists who do not give a damn about social distancing or the welfare of others
You're not serious, surely? Thailand was one of the ONLY countries in the world that keep telling tourists to come whilst almost certainly under reporting their virus numbers.
Have you already forgotten?
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1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:
Because tourism in no other country has been impacted, right??? just Thailands.
Thailand does not treat tourists poorly. Genuine tourists to Thailand get favourable treatment, easy visas or visa exemption arrivals.
The strong baht had an impact, but the only foreigners who have suffered through this ‘poor’ treatment you speak of are long-termer who want to remain on tourist Visas etc... they are not tourists and don’t have a significant impact on the 9-15% contribution towards Thailand GDP by the tourism industry.
As with many countries, reliant on tourism - the industry ebbs and flows as different markets are attracted to one area then move on. Thailand has had is hay-day with cheap tourists, now that the Baht is so strong it may have to concentrate on tourists who can afford to spend more, this means better quality places, not the cheap drop outs who somehow think they are a major contributor to the Thai economy.
Tourism and Thailand will bounce back.
Good luck
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Back to business – time for Thailand’s tourist industry to get ready
in Thailand News
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Maybe. But, according to the Thais, the vast majority of tourists to Thailand come for the old, beat up temples and 40 Baht plates of fried rice. ????