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The libel laws may well have protected Saville, but the BBC could have done a lot more to rein him in, they could have shut down "jim'll fix it " and used any other excuse

Not just high ranking US elites, believe it or not even Steven Hawking's name has been mentioned ...OMG ! https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-bill-clinton-donald-trump-385ccf8d49d337ae4866022877aa9a90

I wasn't really trying to link his crimes to the royals, but I was suggesting that maybe his royal connections were not a disadvantage at the time he was active

The media coverage doesn't help, many people believe what they read in the papers,or online, especially when it suits them. The anonymity which is afforded the victims, is not granted to the accused which inevitably sways peoples opinions, as they really only hear one side of the story, Once people have made up their minds they are generally reluctant to change their opinion. Sir cliff and Kevin Spacey have been fortunate to have been able to clear their names, but there will always be a lot of people who secretly consider them to have "got away with it" How many would be genuinely comfortable employing them as a child minder. On the other hand and somewhat bizarrely Jimmy Saville suffered little damage to his reputation prior to his death, despite numerous allegations being made, why was it that he was able to garner such support , his "charity work" or his connections, which included members of the royal family

Generally I would agree with that , but pedo accusations in particular carry a special stigma , "no smoke without fire" and all that, It would be impossible to remain untarnished to a certain degree, (although Sir Cliff didn't do too badly) The mistake Andrew made was leaving it too late and not keeping it private

I know that but I couldnt be bothered finding links for the lazy disbelieving wokei

what on earth are you going on about?

I didn't say it was nationwide I did say it was not an isolated case, there are plenty of others, I'm actually not far right , and in this matter at least I'm not far wrong, even though I wish I was. Got stuff to do and people to see now, goodnight

I can't stand him either or Ricky Gervais, for that matter , and I am certainly not trying to be a victim. Although I think it was Sheffield council who banned Chubby Brown from performing in the city due to his subject matter, depriving many who wanted to see him from doing so. Again I don't find him particularly funny and I don't live in Sheffield. I just hate this woke cancel culture and all it stands for

its not my need , the third woke musketeer on this thread raised the issue, comparing Andrews activities to those of Muslim rape gangs in the UK and suggested he should be treated in a similar manner or rather with similar "vigour" by the police I merely highlighted his ignorance by providing details of the actual vigour, or rather the lack of it, considered appropriate by the police at the time. Not my fault if you are uncomfortable with the issues raised . Neither is it unexpected that you would seek to end that discussion. Anyway I've had enough of this I'm going out now

Duh ! of course I don't know exactly what went on , I wasn't there , same with you in regards to Andrew, In fact I learnt more about it in the last 30 minutes finding a few links than I ever knew before.

I have provided the links, its not my version anymore according to your mate I was obliged to under the rules,

As far as I am concerned nothing is off limits when it comes to joking that includes myself too of course,, If you don't like a certain comedians style just don't watch him. But you have no right to tell others what they can and cannot watch. Its never the so called "victims" that get offended, some wokie creature always does it on their behalf

You know as well as I do what went on , why try to dismiss it

one of your woke mates demanded a link, what's your problem?

Those connected to the case directly obviously have their concerns, but honestly to the majority of the public its water off a ducks back after all the scandals we hear on an almost daily basis its hardly worthy of comment. As I said before , even those on this thread clutching their pearls and demanding andrews head on a stick are in the minority. Lets be honest nobody is actively promoting rape or child abuse, and we are not talking about the likes of jimmy saville or Sidney Cooke If an "up for it" sexually mature 17 year old gets a rogering off a prince I certainly am not going to loose any sleep over it. its hardly the end of the world especially when she gets 12 million for it What pisses me off is the fact that those involved in what I agree Is a rather tawdry business are the same people that spend a lot of their time telling us what we should and should not do, lets not forget Andrew is not the only high profile person to get his end away on Epstein's Island

you need more https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/new-book-shows-how-police-failings-helped-cover-up-rotherham-abuse/ I could do this all night

heres a few more for you to dismiss https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10941619/The-damning-verdict-police-failed-Rotherham-victims.html https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-chief-we-ignored-sex-abuse-of-children-hgrhc358v

try this for starters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal you can look deeper if you wish

You can prove it yourself, you're no stranger to researching the internet to prove your points just google Rotherham grooming scandal, or similar, there will be enough reading matter to keep you busy for a while, and I say that with confidence despite not having searched it myself.

Credible or not it happened, and it's not an isolated case. I thought it somewhat strange that dozens maybe hundreds of very young teenage girls many of 12 - 13 years old were basically sacrificed in the name of wokeness and for fear of upsetting muslim sensitivities,

"under age kiddies" and " trafficked sex lslaves" give it a rest please, there's about 3 people on here that are buying into that tabloid rubbish, and only for the purpose of virtue signalling, Nobody really cares what happened, even the "poor vulnerable victim" will nave been smirking to herself as she counted the money and no doubt continues to smirk smugly to this day, as enjoys the trappings of her new found wealth wealth. Her and her legal team have all done very well out of it indeed. Better we ask ourselves why a very, very small minority feel the need to express such disproportionate outrage so strongly on a forum like this. Not unlike those who travel the length and breadth of the country to bang frantically, on the back doors of the black maria taking a convicted pedo to court despite having no connection to the victim, or their family. Only a very small minority of weirdos do that . Its not normal behaviour, there must be a reason for it somewhere in the dark recesses of their conscience Back in the 70's where I lived there was a spate of what was known as "queer bashing" it was no laughing matter some horrendous beatings were carried out on people who for whatever reason were suspected by the perpetrators to be gay. It later somewhat unsurprisingly turned out that the perpetrators were themselves gay, the sole reason for beatings they administered being purley to deflect from that. Just sayin.. I don't think having a continuing friendship with a person convicted of anything is an offence, it maybe "unwise" for somebody in Andrews position but that's about it.

Really ? I seem to remember a distinct lack of vigour, regarding any investigation those allegations, which persisted for years and years. The Police, at the request very woke, and very senior civil servants, with links to again a very woke social services department deliberately turned a completely blind eye, to what was known by just about everybody in the authorities, to be happening on an extremely large scale. Unbelievably , the reason for this was purely for fear of offending Muslim " Cultural sensitivities" it was kept well under the radar, and little action was taken until a certain "right wing extremist" raised national public awareness of the issue and the powers that be were literally shamed into taking some reluctant action. Yet another fine example of wokeness

would it not have be better and more reassuring just to say nothing?

They are all quoting the law whist conveniently forgetting one of the fundamental principals of it. That being, that one is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. I don't think that foundation stone of the legal system has been changed to suit social media Andrew should at present be presumed innocent. No matter how upset some people are regarding the nature of the allegations made against him