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On 4/4/2018 at 1:45 PM, billd766 said:

 

50 years of "progress".

 

50 years ago people knew and were friends with their neighbours, PTSD was virtually unknown, epople had respect for other people, presidents were more honest, police were friendler, the world was a lot slower and a nicer place.

Not that it has anything to do with this thread but...

You think PTSD was "virtually unknown" in 1968? I would strongly suggest a fact-check on that whopper! Suggest you start 50 yrs earlier. Google WW1 and shell-shock.

Crap like that detracts from any sane argument you may present.

2 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

Have you missed that the President is the Commander in Chief??

 

It's very similar in a lot of ways, not the least being that you are paid by the public purse, and that requires a large degree of loyalty.

No, I have not. He also head of the CIVILIAN govt. You seem to be enamoured with the idea of a military govt... any ones you have seen that are worth emulating?

4 minutes ago, quandow said:

You're right, I'm wrong. Done.

Well that was easy. Cheers.

6 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

The CEO has a history of this sort of thing, unsurprising..

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-starbucks/starbucks-ceo-schultz-plans-to-hire-10000-refugees-after-trump-ban-idUSKBN15E05X

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Then I might be wrong and the guy really thinks he is doing the right thing. 

Schultz was the PREVIOUS CEO. Kevin Johnson is the current CEO.

But it does speak to the corporate ethics of Starbucks. Not a big surprise for a Seattle-based company.

2 minutes ago, quandow said:

And I don't know who your connection is on this forum but my responses to you keep getting pulled as I'm sure this one will, too. Mean-spirited responses in the manner of arguing just for the sake of arguing. Counting down . . .

You think Morch is mean spirited? I may not always agree with him but I have not found him to be mean spirited in any way.

Regarding response deletions... Are you SURE its not your responses which are mean spirited?

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

He is a business man, Starbucks is sold on the stock exchanges... if profits goes down because of protests the owners of the stock can kick him out. 

 

Its business nothing more nothing less. Do you honestly think that if there was no huge news coverage of this that this guy would have taken the same actions. 

I honestly don't know. His/Starbuck's response has been pretty much as expected whether there was media coverage or not.

What I don't get is the prognosticating on his reasoning. 

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Company policy, one store's policy, what does it matter, unless the policy was different for whites and blacks? 

Of course I'm aware that they're closing for an afternoon for sensitivity training.   But that could easily be a decision to prevent a backlash from a large demographic whose leaders will pull out the victim card and keep banging Starbucks over the head with it until they get enough contrition.  And that may take months or years.

 

It could be lots of things.

It could be he actually is doing what he feels is right.

It could be that it is more prudent to wait until the dust settles BEFORE bringing up these "could be" situations.

1 hour ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

Loyalty to the OFFICE/POSITION is dead right.

 

I recall when I joined the Air Force many years ago and it was drilled into recruits that you don't salute a person, you salute the rank/office he holds.

How cute. You think working for the government is like being in the military.

20 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The CEO is taking the extraordinary steps that he is because it's the politically correct thing to do. And that is seen as an essential prerequisite to avoid demonstrations by groups that will otherwise blow this out of all proportion causing extensive damage to the business. Expect the two males to now slap huge lawsuits on Starbuck's and then negotiate a confidential out of court settlement.

And all because they were asked to leave after refusing to buy anything in a shop.

 

 

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

I am not sure that the CEO believes his staff acted inappropriately.. i think he believes that if he does not do anything for the public his business will suffer. He just caves in to to public pressure.

 

Its quite clear why he takes these steps.. to combat the negative news of course.. its about money nothing more.

So you two have spoken to Mr. Johnson then. Hahahahaha.

Kevin Johnson seems to be a classic California liberal.

But feel free to proceed to put words in his mouth if that's the best y'all can do.

51 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Damage control of very bad publicity. The idiots control the asylum now.

 

BTW when consumers can't find a seat in Starbucks from the non-paying smelly bums and students nursing a single coffee Starbucks will again close 8000 stores, PERMANENTLY.

Yeah, Starbuck's business model has been such a liability for them... LOL.

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Hey, I'm from Texas.  I see it all the time.  But this incident isn't it.  They were violating company policy, and had several opportunities to defuse the situation.  They chose the other path.

 

Accept for the fact that they did not violate any "company policy". They "violated" one store's policy. You get the difference, right? 

From Time magazine:

A company spokesperson said Starbucks does not have a broad policy prohibiting people from using restrooms or sitting inside for free, allowing individual stores to set their own rules.

And of course you are aware of the company's response to this one store's policy is closing ALL of them for some training.

I do not think the company could be any clearer in its response. Other than some peeps completely making up other scenarios and attributing them to the "company" or CEO, Starbucks couldn't be any more crystal clear with their response.

From Time magazine:

It’s not always clear whether sitting in a Starbucks or using a Starbucks restroom without purchasing any items is allowed. A company spokesperson said Starbucks does not have a broad policy prohibiting people from using restrooms or sitting inside for free, allowing individual stores to set their own rules.

50 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Facts matter. Politization of the Justice system matter. Context matters. 

 

Hypocrisy pisses people off, bud. 

Yes you bait well. Of course it matters not that ALL judges at this level are political appointees of one party or the other. In the view if some you can only get an unbiased trial if the judge is the same persuation as you.

What has struck me most on the recent threads regarding Syria is there seems to be consensus from all camps that further/continuing engagement there is stupid. Blame whomever but git the frack out seems to be fair enough!!

20 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Yes, another well-coordinated job accomplished by Trump and his British & French partners. 

Accepting the limited Syrian engagement as a success, what other actions by 45 and his Brit and French partners are you referring to to constitute "another"?

2 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

 

How pity that he didn't manage a 500% price gain on his apartment, sure a reason to start another Trump slag off article.

 

Oh and his 2015 bankruptcy filling should tell you already that there is much more to this story.

1. Do you have no understanding of the NYC real estate market in the last 20-odd years?

2. Tells me he was a crappy businessman, much like 45.

9 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

Clinton's infidelity happened while he was in office, Trumps suspected infidelity happened decades before he was elected.

Yep. Remember 45 is born again. All his sins are now borne by the sky fairies. Don't ya just love flexible religious morality?

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Not so. The postal service is required to deliver mail,. For the purposes of shipping, parcels are not defined as mail. The USPS is not required to deliver parcels..

Actually congress determines what constitutes "mail", and currently that includes packages and letters.

On 4/1/2018 at 9:32 AM, mrwebb8825 said:

When this is over and he's reelected in 2020, how would you like those words served, al fresco or al dente? 

Try not to use concepts u don't understand.

Al fresco is a place to dine. Al dente is a way if cooking... verbal diahria, par for the course.