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6 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

I understand.  Conflict started centuries before.  But who fired the first shot that STARTED the war.  Jeez....there is conflict all over the world.  Not all of it ends up in war.

Not all conflicts are/were backed by two unique world powers trying to exercise dominance over each other using surrogate actors. The “war” was not started by a single shot but by the events leading up to that shot.

Just now, stevenl said:

Yes, and Pyongyang is still under threat from US artillery. The buck stops somewhere.

 

As said, it has to come from both sides,

I don’t think the current occupant has this on his desk:

6 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

100% understand.  But who fired the first shot?  Who initiated the fighting?  Hint? It wasn't the South.

 

And who backed them?  From my link:

And who's refusing to fully comply with the UN sanctions now?  Hint?  See above.

I do not think you 100% understand that the CONFLICT started BEFORE the war and that both sides were  complicit.

4 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Nice deflection.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

Place the blame properly.  Please.

But why would you stop there? It’s almost like you don’t want

to explain that the north and south were surrogate actors for the world powers and their post WWII games.

3 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

The Americans have produced videos of foreign cities being nuked and played them during national celebrations?  Ones showing heads of states in flames?  Really?  Please show me them.

 

Steal Syrian oil?  You're trolling.

Never mind...

The Korean Peninsula is not 1939 Europe in any measure.

2 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Funny way to try and not be bombed.  Ramp up your nuclear weapons testing in violation of UN resolutions.  Produce videos showing NYC being nuked.  Threaten to sink Japan.  And bomb Seoul.  I would think NOT doing those things would deter the global community from bombing NK. LOL.

Kinda like the MAD Doctrine...

On 2017-09-21 at 1:54 PM, Baerboxer said:

 

Terrorists and criminals tend not to worry about laws, morals and such things.

 

Or do you think making crime and terrorism illegal has actually worked?

Is this post supposed to be a justification for or against increasing arms exports? Confused.

18 hours ago, fasteddie said:

Brave man, methinks he'll be looking for another job soon.

I don’t think so. Views are changing quickly. Thailand got the war on drugs through treaties with the USA, it was not in the national or cultural dna (compare with Laos - no post Vietnam war money for Laos, no war on drugs).

20 hours ago, acenase said:

 

What are you smoking? You do infact NEED to go back to your home country to apply for a new METV after it expires. Moving somewhere means you can permanently stay there, not just being there for 9 months before going back to your home country. 

 

I'm talking out the people who claim to live in Thailand who are Under 50, Not working/going to school and Single. There's no Visa to serve its purpose for that except Tourist visa.

Get a clue.

Work permit... just because you have a work permit DOES NOT mean you have to work hard... 15 mins a day was good for me!

Thailand Elite.

Two simple solutions to your issue. Your rigid outlook limits your creative options. My wife and I upped and moved here 11 yrs ago (ages 41 and 42) and have never gone home for immigration reasons, deaths and births and weddings only.

12 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Right. And a video like this wouldn't upset any country.

 

Probs about as much as having the greatest military force the world has ever seen playing war games outside you bedroom.

5 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Stop. Japan is considering increasing it's military due to missiles flying over their sovereign territory!!!!  Easy to research that.

 

North Korea has been destabilizing this area long before Trump came along.  Can't blame everything on him.

Dude, get a grip. WHY are NK missiles flying over Japan now and not for the last 50-ish years... Hint: what has changed? Easy to research that!!

HK has been boxed into its own little playground, only fracking up its own people until 45 grabbed the wooden spoon.

14 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

You are aware the international community had been going after NK for decades.  The entire UN Security council approved sanctions.  Yet, you single out the US.  We are part of a global community after all.

YOU asked who... only one answer... Not even SK has felt it necessary to bombastically threaten a country who is clearly barely capable of wiping their own assets... (can't say the other word!!).

Sanctions, diplomacy, negotiation - all good. Those strategies have kept the peace in the region for over half a century. Along comes 45 and whoa... gotta stir that pot - how can he go wrong bullying a nation which no one cares for; a "rogue nation"; great distraction.

13 minutes ago, transam said:

So why didn't the USA use a nuke on NK and/or Vietnam all those years back...?

Truman/MacArthur maybe?

14 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

Kim is the latest dictator, his brother, then father preceded him. All of them purged anyone who  opposed their right to absolute power. His father also  punished their families.

Are you attempting to claim that Un does not speak to or consult anyone else in his country? There are plenty of educated sycophants in NK willing to kiss the Un-butt and support his twisted regime; same as any other country...

21 minutes ago, transam said:

So the USA should not have helped your country out, wrong region...?

YES!!!! Now ya got it!!!! USA should have kept their noses in their own biz and spent $$ on their own peeps, not playing World Police.

21 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

If it fell into Japanese territory, that's an act of war.  Beyond an invasion.  Sadly, Japan is considering increasing it's military due to NK"s actions.  As is SK.  Great job NK! 

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

Japan is considering increasing its military due to 45's rhetoric escalating a situation which was a non-starter before he opened his twitter machine.

40 minutes ago, transam said:

So who has threatened NK in the last 60 odd years until NK's ambition to nuke loads of countries........?

USA.

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

With regards to the number of times they've attacked South Korea, they are hardly sending a message of leave us alone or else.  Just found out they assassinated Park's wife.  Great

Strange place to go if you are trying to defend the USA's actions... assassinations anyone?

They are BOTH horrible actors on the world stage. One has the firepower to end the world, the other can spit on their neighbours and maybe hit somewhere in the Pacific...

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

Jeez.  Have to lay it out. Unreal.  Please read the article before commenting.  You're only making yourself look foolish.  And invasion is when something unwanted enters your space.  Such as artillery, troops, etc. LOL

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/10130248

I could go on and on.  Why are you defending these guys so strongly?

Article read. Read BEFORE commenting.

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

There is no "they". This is about Kim's political survival.

And it's either a nothing-burger or a potential catastrophe, can't be both.

 

 

Yes, Kim acts in a vacuum without any advisors... "THEY" clearly refers to the governing elite, which NK does have, like every other country in the world.

3 hours ago, transam said:

So how would you class a ballistic missile, designed for one job, that flew over Japans landmass and airspace... ?

I would classify it the same as everyone else - a weapon. I would not classify it as an invasion.

7 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

Again resorting to the argumentum ad hominem which you began, then complained about when returned in like kind...

17 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Read my list of incursions.  If you bomb or go into another country with your military, that's an invasion.  So no struggle.

Read the list. There has been only one documented invasion of S. Korea by N. Korea - June 1950.

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

You have no idea what Kim will or will not do. You have no assurances that he will not miscalculate, take rash actions, or go off on tangent.

 

North Korea have attacked South Korea plenty of times, would take quite an effort ignoring the many incidents over the years, some pretty serious - but I sure you're up to the task. If anything, it is South Korea's restraint that's to be commended.

 

It would be helpful for the discussion if the distinction between Kim and North Korea as a whole would be addressed. North Koreans do not have a say in how their country is run, do not enjoy free access to information - and to head of the expected nonsense- no, this is nothing like the "West". So it's not about what North Korea wants, but rather about what Kim wants. If someone wants to argue that Kim's personal political survival is of a critical or moral importance justifying the risk of a nuclear war, or even a conventional one, we'll have to disagree.

 

Nor do we have any idea of what 45 will or will not do. We have no assurances that he will not miscalculate (but we do have evidence that he does miscalculate frequently), take rash actions (but we do have evidence that he does take rash actions frequently) or go off on a tangent (but we do have evidence that he does take bizarre tangents frequently).

I trust South Korea's judgement. they have been living with the vagaries of NK leadership for more than 50 years. They seem to have a good handle on the mindset of their ethnic kin and neighbours.

I can see your point about free access to information. The US establishment media does a much better job of shaping what it wants the public to hear while purporting to broadcast "news". Plus 45 has been opening up all lines of communication between the public and government departments and making it much easier for facts (scientific, policy, information, content of bills before the legislature) to come out.

If someone wants to argue that 45's attempts at distracting the public from his gross incompetence and ongoing investigations by pandering to his base and the mainstream media by inflaming a lying-dogs situation, is of critical or moral importance, justifying the risk of nuclear or conventional war, we will have to disagree.