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10 minutes ago, indieke said:

I follow you, and understand your remarks. She not has been filed as a helper though. But as a friend of the family. We knew from giving us friendly advice, when travel to the Philippines.  As you know, there are 2 tourist visas. One by invitation, where you have to prove you know the person for one way or another. Second individually. WHere money on account, a job, a house on your name are required to make a chance.

 

So, being Thai or Philippine, is exactly the same procedure. The Thai girl will need the same requirements as the Philippine girl, if no positive advice from Embassy, same section in Belgium that would decide. Belgium refuses mostly, if you are requesting the first option by invitation. When France, seems to have less problem with that. And again, OP should go to an agency, and I am surprised nobody PM me to get more information, where to go.

Yes, ok, we settle for this.

But I don't envy you for the path you went through. Must have been hell, a filipina GF working in thailand, mix of helper, different couple not signed up for the OFW ... while you are still married. But good you sorted this out ????

2 minutes ago, indieke said:

I am surprised nobody PM me to get more information, where to go.

... maybe ppl are getting fed up with getting a Thai into their country, or the love is gone ????

3 minutes ago, indieke said:

You ask how to get your gf in BELGIUM, being denied.  WHy don't you take any good advice then. No. It would be different if you had applied in France, Germany, Polen.......  What happens is the same.

Yes, I understand that. 

It would be the same in France, Belgium or Germany ... for your Philippine girl, especially since you mentioned 'as a helper' (OFW's rules etc.)

That does not mean it's the same for a Thai girl

Can you follow me up to this point only? ????

18 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

I have been in the situation of being resident in an EU country but applied to a different one for a tourist visa simply because it was an easier more local consulate.

Strictly, from what I always got ... is that you have to enter Schengen at the country you got the visa from.

But in reality ... I often applied in one country, and flew into a different one. No one ever cared about that.

7 minutes ago, indieke said:

And that is where you are wrong.  She was not invited as my gf. But as a friend that helped us, a too long story to develop. It was mentioned above, that  couple could invite a girl as a friend, I say that doesn't work

Don't need to tell the long story. To make it short, she is from the Philippines ... not Thai, different rules apply ????

OFW's etc.

9 minutes ago, indieke said:

When I first invited my gf, I was still married, and my wife did not care, as we were divorcing already.

Sorry, that doesn't count to me as a 'typical couple' inviting a Thai or Philippine girl for a holiday.

Unless you want to get her over as au-pair or something ... but not as your girlfriend, with your wife still married in/around your house! ????

That's why I say ... it's always different for everybody ... different circumstances.

You were still married, man, that opens another can of worms ...

And on that topic ... to get a visa for a Philippine girl is a total different thing/rules/culture (OFW's, marriage etc...) than a Thai girl.

Too mixed up, doesn't apply to the OP, even if you are Belgium ????

25 minutes ago, indieke said:

I can assure you that many advice here, with good intentions is incorrect. Inviting her as a couple is mostly denied

Ok, thanks .. I'm open to listen to your experience with this.

Does that mean a Thai can never visit their friends (or far/near/close family) in Schengen area for a genuine holiday?

13 hours ago, Jip99 said:

My missus has not earned a Penny in 13 years but she is financially secure and has had 14 visas.

To wrap this up for me ????

IMO ... what you did with your missus does not really count anymore. It's different for everyone. Also maybe different times, long ago.

What matters is that your friend's fling got denied, this week.

And how to work around this in better ways ...

1 hour ago, fceligoj said:

Since they are not related, just a gf, etc., here is their reply to me with a Thai wife:

Unless I misunderstood you, and you are living with your Thai wife together in Holland.

Then this is the alternative, better approach. 

You and your partner, are inviting the girl to Holland for a holiday.

Once she is there, she can take the train to Brussels and visits the boyfriend.

But not that starting point of Boyfriend in Belgium invites Thai Holiday fling directly to Brussels ... that opens a can of worms.

At the end, it's just a month holiday ... you don't move together as of yet (reasons to return to Thailand)

Chose the better route for a genuine way to get that tourist visa, for a holiday.

11 minutes ago, fceligoj said:

about taking my Thai wife on a vacation to Europe

... different to a holiday fling you try to get over for a "holiday"

It's not about what documents are on the list for a visa.

It's about what's in the mind of the ECO

You with your wife can go everywhere ... that's why I said before jokingly ... "or you just marry the girl"

You married the girl, you don't have these issues.

It doesn't apply to the topic.

Sorry, don't know what happened, something went wrong with editing my initial post.

What I wanted to say is, the more evidence you 'try' to provide to proof your relationship with the girl (pictures etc.).

The more evidence you provide that you want her to stay with you in your country, and the more reasons for her to not return to Thailand. 

And for a holiday fling ... that brings on all sorts of risks (both ways). And the ECO puts a cap on it.

You shoot yourself in your own foot, so to speak.

Look for, or try, a different strategy.

15 hours ago, theoldgit said:

You really need to read the whole thread.

This thread is about a Belgian who who is resident in Belgium and wants his Thai girlfriend to join him at his home for a holiday, different rules apply in that scenario, she cannot simply book a holiday in Germany and pop over the border.

I bet you a 1k Baht that LivinLos did read the complete thread.

The bigger picture is different.

IMO ... the more evidence you provide that you are in a genuine relationship with the girl ... loved up pictures together on an elephant in Koh Chang, together on a Jet Ski in Phuket, in front of the Grand Palace in BKK ... the more evidence you provide that you want to start a relationship with the girl, and since you can't live in Thailand because you still work, the more reason for the girl not to return to Thailand.

They know it's a holiday fling, and they don't want that.

A Thai however, who wants to see Manneken Pis for a genuine 2 week holiday in Brussels (and i.e. get's an invitation letter from a family/friends/colleagues) will have less issues getting that tourist visa.

In that sense, the girl better get's an invitation from someone else, and pops over from i.e. Germany to Belgium, once she has the Schengen visa.

Or you go through a mountain of paperwork and hazzles ... with starting point: Boyfriend invites Thai girl he met on Thailand holiday.

47 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

And, having a BF or a BF guarantee letter is an automatic denial now.  They do not want to see it.

That was exactly my point.

I have met many Thai's who were on holiday in Europe ... a holiday!

It's when you start with the BF's thing to get a girl over 'for a holiday' ... you start to walk into that rabbit hole.

And the outcome is different for many, and the reasons for deny always very vague. And not fair. Your country let's in a ton of refugees, but not the girl you are in love with and can take care of ????

That's that kind of perspective you should have in mind, before you start filling in the papers and invite your holiday fling.

9 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

My missus has not earned a Penny in 13 years but she is financially secure and has had 14 visas.

 

In this case the applicant has no need to work because she is supported by her boyfriend  -  who has also provided the usual 'Pledge" from his local town hall.

 

Where they met is irrelevant....... ECO's are not stupid..... if the criteria is met then a visa should be approved.

Don't ask on a forum, if you are not open to additional feedback about experiences others had before ????

You know the process to get a Thai over is a rabbit hole and the outcome different to many, and the reasons given very vague when denied.

Besides, up to your Belgium friend. If Thailand is such a great nation, let their citizens just book a ticket to Paris to see the Eifeltower for a 3 week holiday. From there, she can travel to Belgium and see him. 

Why does a loved up guy has to fill in 2000 sheets of papers, put his complete private / financial status on the table.

Or just marry the girl ... makes it easier ????

I have more the feeling the more money the Belgium guy has to sponsor that complete trip, including savings and assets in Belgium ... and the less she has ... not even a fixed job ... the more chances she would want to stay. 

I'e been through this before ... the question comes back to something like: If you have no job ... how can you go for a month holiday and why come back leaving that great sponsorship?

And if you have a job in Thailand to come back to, how do you get one month or 3 off for a holiday?

Most people in the West get max 2-3 weeks at a time.

It's that catch 22 ... unless she has her own assets and fixed income and she can explain why she get's 3 month off for a holiday.

Plus don't tell them that you met each other somewhere in a bar on holiday, if that has been the case ????

Get many girls, nothing beats the first time ... over again.

8 hours ago, saengd said:

What does tourist numbers have to do with some man shooting his wife in a hairdressers in Bangkok!

Avoiding crowded areas since a certain virus spreads world wide ...

2-3 shootings in shopping malls within 1 month.

It's not 1 man shooting a hairdresser ... it's the sum total of it.

Let's fly to BKK for a long weekend and go shopping ... well.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

the company could not justify the investment to continue building right-hand drive vehicles, GM President Mark Reuss said in Sunday's statement.

Fine tuning ...

I know we are all different. I admit, when reading the topic title, it shocked me a little.

I love Gecko's, love the way they look, love the sounds, always counting with them ... best one was up to 11 time.

Mosquitos and flies, my number one enemy in Thailand, Gecko's and the likes my best friends ????

Bring them over to my place ... a little bit poo from a Gecko better then a mosquito bite.

Unfortunately, over time, the more houses got built around the estate, the less Gecko's we have today.

How many round trips of that same discussion and for how many years?

Sometimes I feel like being in the Groundhog day movie listening to Farangs in Thailand ????

1 minute ago, ehs818 said:

That said, my simple response to the Corona Virus is to switch to Heineken. (joke4u).

I was wondering how that beer brand is doing at the moment ... fancy a Corona? Nah, give me a Heineken.

Human psychology ... unlucky name for a beer brand at the moment