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2 hours ago, Matzzon said:

I guess you just have to shake the western attitude out of your body. You are in Thailand now. Nobody forced you. You did that choice out of free will.

Shake off your Western attitude ... this argument is very easy to throw in ... but it goes 2 ways, mostly as people wish.

In the West, people are pretty law abiding ... in Thailand not at all!

Thai's don't care and give a damn about the law, driving without licenses, drunk, 10 peeps on the back of a pick-up, 5 on a motorcycle ... sabai sabai, they always pay their way out. Let me re-phrase that ... they "expect to be able to always pay their way out" ... or just wai.

If I completely get rid of all Western attitude (and all values), as you stated above, and act like a Thai, I would:

- let my boy ride a motorcy without license and helmet  ... I'm acting like a Thai

Then you would post how irresponsible this is! From your western point of view/attitude ... Thais don't care or give a damn, as you know.

- I would not even care about what type of visa I have and just pay the bribes to agents and immi to get what I need - in true Thai style 

But then I break the law, and then you are going to report me ???? With your western attitude ... the law is the law, and must not be broken!

etc. etc. etc. (this could get a long list with examples Thai vs. Western attitude)

What does it really mean when you say ... shake of the Western attitude?

Do I have to become 100% Thai? But then I would do silly things you would not let pass as being correct! 

Do I have a Western attitude? Then you say you have to shake it off? No one forced me to be here

It's funny how this always get's twisted around

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

Now they only see the overstayers and the ones that is breaking the law, and that leads to a negative view of the foreigners. If they see and hear from the ones that dislike the negativity same much they do, maybe that would change the views many Thais have got today.

I highly doubt that the root of negativity came from a few overstayers ... I doubt that the average person in a village cares about how the Farang got his visa, legal or illegal, as long as the money is there and he makes no problem, no Thai in the world would really care.

You know exactly yourself that through history, every person in Thailand is fully aware of the corrupt gov and knows how the system works and people always have to pay their way through to get something accomplished ... and definitely not always by law! 

Catching criminals who are hiding on overstay, yes sure ... 

I really would love to know what exactly that Swiss guy did over the past 4 years to support himself.

It would give the discussion some direction.

9 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The law is the law, and nobody have the right to decide what is more or less important regarding that book.

I don't agree with that.

The law is the law, regardless?

So if someone is violating the law by parking his car incorrectly, breaking the law, the law is the law, as you say! You are going to report them?

That's not my job! It shouldn't be yours either.

If someone is overstaying and supporting himself with some jobs here and there, what do I care?

It's immigrations job, not mine, not yours!

If it's with criminal activities, being abusive etc. ... it's still not my job, not my personal problem .. but yes, then it really is a topic which can be debated and could require some action from our side.

Overall, it's not my job in Thailand to report other Farangs.

16 minutes ago, transam said:

A bit of advice for you, don't tell any farangs you meet your TVF user name....????

Lol ... yes, be very aware of Farangs! You can't trust them!

I learned that lesson a few years ago when I tried to help out with some voluntary work, and as a 'thank you', got threats by fellow Farangs to report me to immigration for working without work permit!

Never again! ????

Reporting fellow Farangs in Thailand, to me this is the lowest of the lowest you can do! Especially without even knowing details of the circumstances.

As said, if it's really a bad criminal activity, sure, you just report anyone, no matter where they come from.

22 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

its a problem for us all, because it reflects on us all and makes Immigration all the more eager to tighten the laws governing expats. Don't blame Immigration for the many hoops we have to jump through nowadays, blame prats like this one, and the drug dealers, pxxx poor long stayers, illegal workers and anti social drunks and miscreants. 

Sure you got a good point. 

You got to ask yourself, what was he doing in all that time to support himself?

He obviously does not have much money, otherwise he could have just as easily i.e. get an Elite visa and be all done with it.

If he would have the dosh.

But to report a Farang on overstay, I don't know ... it would never cross my mind, unless I see something really bad/criminal activities etc.

If he's cooking illegally in a kitchen as a chef to support himself, I don't care about his visa status.

3 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Actually, I am so tired of them, that I would report if I knew any.
 

I mean ok, I can see that everyone should do their best to keep compliant with the laws and get their paperwork in order.

I couldn't live myself 'under the radar', not having my life in full control. I think I would get quite stressed and not enjoy even the beauty of Koh Phangan, could never travel back to see and visit my people etc.

But what do I care whether a guy is on overstay or not? That's his problem.

To report him ... well, that would be a real low class act! How does that make you a better & happier person?

4 hours ago, Eligius said:

Note the disgustingly racist act of putting an 'alien' mask on the foreigner.

How low can the media Authorities stoop in their insults?!

 

haha ... and that in a country where 'face' is oh so important.

Try doing something like this with a Thai ... and see where it goes 5555

54 minutes ago, kevvy said:

Sorry , This is Thailand and they speak their native language, I do not see why they have to learn a another language

Jeez, you are worse than the Thai gov ...!

You don't want the young Thai kids to be able to communicate outside of Thailand? Travel outside of Thailand? Work outside of Thailand?

Or work inside of Thailand with customers outside of Thailand in offices, communicate properly with tourists etc.?

Crazy & pathetic post to read from a Farang! ... you are almost as xenophobic as the Thai's get told they have to be ... well done!

We are talking about plain simple basic english here, to be able to communicate with the world ... not latin! 

Really, the Farangs in Thailand when they get too much and too deep into Thailand, lose all form of common sense. Plain crazy!

Don't want a nations kids and future to learn international english? ... this is Thailand, we speak Thai here ... out of a Farangs mouth ...makes my blood boil.

Som man na 

Bangkok 2015

"BANGKOK: -- Although Thailand ranked at the very bottom of the English Proficiency Index by EF, the government's next move is to cut back on hiring foreign English teachers and have Thais teach English to Thais."

You reap what you seed. I'm truly sorry for the new generation Thai kids not able to speak a single sentence of basic english.

Mission accomplished. Keep the people down and in control. It's a brain dead education system.

17 minutes ago, wotsdermatter said:

All of that vinyl for a display about only two miscreants?

'nuf sed.

It's Micky Mouse stuff card boards ... but the Thai way of showing gov teeth, it's all part of the 'power game show' started 5 years ago.

Pathetic really when you see stuff like this every day ... of course this does change someones mind about how a country is put together and operating. 

Now I understand why most of the homework from my stepson was all only showing up with correct size short hair, uniform obeying and silly painting stupid things, coloring and printing out too much ... but not learn anything useful at school.

Brain dead education creates a brain dead society buying into vinyl cardboards like this ... goal accomplished!

34 minutes ago, ben2talk said:

No.

I'm happier having found a well educated girl who's going to take care of me for the rest of my life, then start a family and retire.

 

Just out of interest. Ok, now you are happier to have found a well educated girl who takes care of you the rest of your life. 

But when you first came to Thailand, did you ever date a bargirl or a massage girl?

I'm asking this, because I see this a lot on this forum, people often talk a bit down on bargirls, massage girls , sex workers in general ... often denying they ever got involved in p4p.

... but quite to the opposite, my experience over all the years is that most of the guys came here first on holiday, met the 'easier' girls on holiday first and thereafter got hooked to the country. 

Later ok, you have more time, experience and knowledge about the country so you can find 'your well educated' girl.

I could easily say, most of the guys I have met in Thailand came here for the p$#@y in the first place.

Definitely for the second trip after they have discovered something different.

That's why I'm so surprised that statistically, you hardly find them on this forum ;-))

Everybody came here for the well educated girls and knew instantly where to find them and date them? I don't believe that ????

11 minutes ago, jpeezy said:

Yes, I am half, but my first visit to Thailand was in 2013 at 36, so culturally not Thai at all. I don't speak Thai yet and have really only viewed the country through a tourist's lens.

Just a quick side note ... I see a lot of luk kruengs when they are young kids running around.

But I hardly see any half Thai's living here when they are grown up.

Statistically, with so many Thai/Farang couples having kids, you would think there are a lot more of luk kruengs ... but I hardly bump into them?

The ones I met, they all live oversea's.

14 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

It's hardly 'spreading hate'. Let's keep things real.

Problem is, when you say what is 'real', you become automatically a basher ... so that's a catch 22 

Aside of the fact that you really can't speak out what you really want to say ... freedom of speech is a bit of a problem in Thailand.

1 hour ago, jpeezy said:

Fair enough, I do realize the need to vent and discuss issues on the forum, I wasn't trying to be offensive by any means.

 

But, it was just my observation that there seemed to be more negative sentiments than positive from what I have seen. Now, I can't say I have read every post so it is all anecdotal.

 

Another poster stated that the negativity may be  on other forums for other countries, which I admittedly haven't really looked into. 

 

What would be an alternative country to keep an eye on in SEA? Vietnam?

The past 5 years of gov and future outlook definitely left a big trail of issues and dissatisfaction behind ... not only for Farangs.

I hear a lot of Thai's around me complaining much more than they did a few years back. The Thai's themselves changed a lot, too.

People who say Thailand is the best and all is super perfect and so nice and free and easy and cheap and and ... I think they missed the past few years of changes ...

Alternative country, I don't know ... I loved the Thailand from a few years back. But to be honest, that is all slowly fading away ...

... a big game changer was for me to get a 'real' and closer look behind the scenes, the education system, the classes, why things are as they are, the 1-2% on top etc. 

It's still easy and nice to live here ... but I would definitely not be as sad to leave as I would have been, let's say a few years back.

1 hour ago, jpeezy said:

I will acknowledge there are problems in Thailand as there are everywhere. So, is it really that bad?

No, it's not that bad ... but it's day to day life which get's discussed, and changing climates, reality ... etc. etc. etc. It can't always all be roses.

Why always these questions and remarks about complaining?

We all come here, get fascinated at first ... and love it. Then we settle down.

But it's not always everything 100% super sunshine and hunky dory, day in day out ... 

... where to go to and talk to likewise people in similar situations? Discuss the good, the bad and the ugly?

To the local Thai market at 4am in the morning and vent it out with all the Thai grannies?

... or on a forum with Farangs?

It's not complaining ... it's a forum ... by nature, a lot of negative sounding things come up. 

I would say it's more venting ... sometimes ranting ... what's wrong with that?

After living for a few years here, I start to get "most fed-up with Farangs" who perceive every little thing against Thailand and living here as complaining. And often get into a state of denial defending everything Thai.

It get's a bit boring to say the least.