RedPill

3 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Have you ever considered that they are getting better at using computers and develop the system?

Sure thing the systems are better now.

But I would say, foremost, they started looking at it now and act swiftly.

1 minute ago, atyclb said:

 

maybe more about detracting the populous from thinking about significant issues effecting their lives

You got it ...  

I just read that camping at the waterfalls and views of the Mekong at Pha Taem National Park east of Ubon Ratchathani, are quite nice these days. But probably above OP's budget with 400b entrance fee, so that one is excluded.

Moving on to cheaper territories .... but maybe it helps to start painting a clearer picture of what to expect on a holiday in Thailand.

No free mushrooms to be found in that forrest!

13 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

There were no online news just a few years back. And there are so many new news channels on TV now. Especially if you have cable. I remember out in the sticks many years ago,people could only watch Channel 3,5 and 7. They never reported stuff like the new news channels do. 

It's ok, I understand the change of social media and frequency of coverage ... but there is still a another trend you read about here daily. 

I don't know how else to spell it out to you.

3 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Just a few years ago you never saw a begpacker selling c**p on the streets in Thailand. No one would ever think about doing it. Thai Police and Immigration have always, even 10 years before you came here in 1999, been tough on what we can do and not can do with or without a wp. The Thai government will never allow a foreigner to do simple stuff as manual labour,street vending or work in a thai restaurant.

Without forums like TVF, TV and online news you wouldn't know about the police chasing/arresting people for 'petty' crimes. 

I'm not sure, I don't think you get my overall point.

But the thing is, we can't speak free out in detail ... so we better leave it. Hinting is all we can do.

You don't have to understand or agree with me.

21 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Just out of curiosity, how long have you stayed in Thailand? Check this out:

https://www.samuiforsale.com/other-miscellaneous/prohibited-occupations-for-foreigners.html

Scroll down to the list of prohibited occupations,then look at number 35.

ok, after you edited in that link.

That list is not was I was talking about. 

That list exists a very long time, same like Thaivisa exist a very long time and we read it since 10-15 years.

I'm talking about an overall picture of an unusual accelerating trend of things which never made headlines/news before ...

13 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Just out of curiosity, how long have you stayed in Thailand? 

mhhh ... don't know, on and off a lot, ... came here first in 1999. Now staying since a few years.

Not sure why you ask, but I can only guess you don't agree with me mentioning the growing trend in the news against foreigners breaking the law and the increased focus on this.

Should this be the case, I can only tell you, from my point of view, this has accelerated and is very noticeable to me since the a few years ago. Every little thing makes the headline. Stuff no one cared a few years ago.

But we certainly don't have to agree on this ???? I know there are many different opinions about this.

21 minutes ago, RedPill said:

backpacker making the news

Ok, before someone quotes me on that, I know, the news in Europe is full of 'real' exploding backpackers, kawoom ... that's the real thing and danger in todays world.

Not some hippies selling some stuff on the street without a WP. 

Let the police get them, a slap on the fingers and that's it. What's the big fuzz about?

I'm not buying into this and establish a bias towards foreigners doing the silliest low crime illegal stuff in Thailand.

I don't know where this kind of accelerating trend comes from and makes the headlines so often these days. But I have a suspicion ...

9 minutes ago, Hackney35 said:

hahah

I love thailand but the place is backward AF.

The roads are the most dangerous in the world and instead they focus resources on xenophobic little jollies like this to remove some peasant hippies from the sidewalk!!

Keyword xenophobic

I can't remember being in any country in Europe and heard about a backpacker (with headline begpacker) making the news.

Here it's a super big thing to read about these days. My god, it really get's ridicules to read all this daily Thai news. Micky mouse things blown up, all the time. It starts to feel you are getting conditioned and brain washed into something.

Meanwhile mean and drunk people on the road get away with a 500 Baht fine.

6 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Nothing much will happen. I have almost buildt all our house from the ground fully in the open. No problem whatsoever. After that I have been chnging all electric in my wife parents house in her home village togheter with 2 Thai guy to help me.

 

Just a lot of scare and overrated BS talk.

Nooo, why you say this now! 

Officially, by law, you are not allowed to do that! You can't build a house in Thailand!

You can't, you broke the law!

555 just because no one cares, doesn't mean it's not illegal

3 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

Sorry I am late to the party. So which Which Thai provinces are the cheapest?

The ones you didn't spoil 5555

8 minutes ago, gearbox said:

Everything else aside, costwise Samui and Phangan would be more or less on par.

Ok, what I meant specifically was this ... 

Go to Koh Samui 10 years later ... a lot has changed (of course, airport, easier access, faster population etc.).

Go to Koh Phangan 10 years later ... it still has kept the pace relatively much slower. Also in terms of overall rapid developments. Much slower in Phangan. It all looked quite ok to me seeing it 10 years later. Still had to go down to Bottle beach by foot, the MC wouldn't be good steep down a sandy road.

At least that was my overall feeling. The prices are all going on par, I agree with you.

8 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Ah, but you're forgetting Matthew 6:26

 

"Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither
do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly
Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

But I'm open to hear and read about it. Of course back packers are staying in a hostel and not in bungalows. 

You can't stay as a backpacker in a separate bungalow for 100b. Yes, or no? ???? 

I have a ex ex ex ex MIL, who hikes through Spain on a yearly base. She always posts about her travels & hostels and has a good time ... older lady, 60+ years. Cheap hikes, and she does it, and enjoys.

So yes, I'm interested to see and read how people do it ...

11 minutes ago, gearbox said:

I've been there a few times. Koh Phangan is definitely not the cheapest place in Thailand. It is a touristy island without any public transport. The going rate for motorcycle hire is 200 baht/day. You can eat cheaply at Tesco Lotus buying the discounted cooked food after 6-7pm, but don't know if you can live on something like this for months. I flick regularly through the Phangan rentals and would be hard to find anything for less than 5k baht a month.

 

 

That's what is it .... a  beautiful island. It still is one of my favorite in terms of beauty

(after Koh Chang, but that's only because it's a short 3h ride from my home and really relaxed) in Thailand.

I was pleasantly surprised last year how that island kept it's low pace ... compared to other islands and areas in the South around.

Again here, a 100b food per day budget ... no!

I've never stayed in a dorm for 100b per night, maybe that's possible ok.

Otherwise you are going to pay 600b+, most likely more +, for a bungalow off season

And you got to have your own transportation, i.e. MC, otherwise you pay hilarious prices for the Baht Bus to get around. (Same in Koh Chang actually)

12 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

You claim you have a good amount of money, but that you choose to travel on a very tight budget. The lady selling noodles is doing that in order to feed her family. But you want to get her 20 baht noodles for 10 baht. 

Don't you think that desperately poor lady would prefer you (a relatively wealthy traveller) to give her the extra 10 baht? You think she enjoys the the 'fun' of bartering with you?

 

It wouldn't be so bad if you were living in poverty like the noodle seller, but you're not (apparently). 

The thing is, I'm truly interested to discuss this through and see how a backpacker these days would travel through Thailand.

And put in my feedback here and there about prices which are not realistic.

The problem is, I get quite aggressive responses back, so the fun, or helpfulness, of taking the time to respond to it, get's a bit taken out of it. I start to wonder why even doing it?

2 hours ago, sakoo said:

So you finally admit then I can indeed spend 20b/dish. Before you were saying it can't be done, now you are wishing me cheers to go to do so.

Look, in no post have I attacked you, just trying to convey some realistic prices anno 2019 here in Thailand to you.

You have to take and calculate the lowest of the lowest, which you can't find always when you travel and new to a country, to a price which you deem to high, from people who are living here.

This all should be very helpful, because it gives you an idea of what you can expect and budget for, without getting into trouble.

You can't budget for 4 full weeks for a dish for only 20b ... 

If you think 300b is too much per day, fair enough ... but you now know that 100 baht is also not sufficient per day,

then you now know you better budget for a bit more.

A simple thanks for contributing to your thread would also be ok, don't you think?

Maybe a different angle would give you some perspective.

An average Thai kid, let's say 10-13 years old, goes to a government school with the cheapest transportation around, the baht bus, get's his 

food at school ... that kid get's 80-100+ baht for that daily school allowance from the parents in the morning, at the cheapest and simplest.

This is already your 100b food budget, but you are a full grown foreign adult, traveling around in a country, to places you don't know,  for the first time! 

You got to stay realistic, and not stubborn ????

8 hours ago, sakoo said:

You you see it is your constant repeating of YOU NEED TO SPEND AS MUCH AS I SPEND, that is actually not helpful at all. It also says something about your personality.

Ok, cheers. Forget about it then ... just go and travel and spend 20b per dish. You won't get any further answers or details from me about the prices here.

Just let me tell you this, you will be in for a shocker and true reality check if you don't adjust your expectations.

It will be a pity, you came to Thailand and you couldn't even buy a simple noodle soup on the street, because you didn't want to listen to people who seeing the prices around here and tell you, and no Thai will sell you one for 20b.

Good luck, when are you going? Please do share a bit of a trip report as update in this thread.

I would be very interesting to read how you get on.

3 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Do you know how much a 1 hour massage costs these days?

It's an interesting one.

For quite long time, the price for a 1h Oil massage has been stable around 250b

Many are asking 300b these days. 

They are going to skip the 350, never seen this price, but I have seen 400b advertised more often already.

6 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Girl? i don't think that's been confirmed by the OP. I was under the impression he survived on "white knuckle" rides.

Yes, but that post derived from Marques post in the Bungalows of Pai, not to the OP ????

I came here because of the correctness of the country, the honesty, transparent laws and freedom of speech.

... and for the girls, and the palm trees and the beach

6 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

4000 for a bungalow in the middle of nowhere during the low season

it's not really the bargain of the century. but i wish you have had a good time here

Entirely depends on the girl who was with him ????

4 minutes ago, Tagged said:

First month everywhere you go is the most expensive, but the OP, is so brilliant and speaks 5 languages, good with the locals, so he figures out everything in at least, lets say two days. 

 

Then the waterman reckonize him, bring him with on his round, and the lady at the corner give him a snack on the way, and he smiles to the world. 

 

Easy 

haha, yes, easy! ????

I would so much enjoy travel through Thailand on a 200b per day budget

8 minutes ago, Tagged said:

We will make it easy for 30 to as we live today if we have to here in Hua Hin, if I live like I would do in my homecountry. 

Ok, but I'm still not convinced someone who is coming here on travels, doesn't know where the cheap Pad Thais are, doesn't go to the woods to pick up their free mushrooms, doesn't have a cheaper long term stay  .... the budget he has thrown in, 100b per day food/100b for accommodation, it's a pipe dream.

You're abroad and don't know the way or any of this ... you need a bigger budget. 

4 minutes ago, Tagged said:

He asked for the extreme exception, I just proved it can be done. Basic calories for a grown man 2 500,- baht a day, is covered in 150 baht a day, include enough water, protein and vitamins, if you go buy localy. 

 

We pay around 1 100 - 1 300,- baht a month in electric where we stay now, in a 28m2 room, and we have additional fan, and water heater on the bathroom. We pay for 40m2 7000,- baht a month, but the rooms without kitchen, but have fridge and aircon is 3000,- baht a month about 24m2 including small balcony. 

 

Me and my gf spend 30 000,- on monthly expenses Gasolin, car and bikes, included. Total budget we have for spendings and a comfortable one is 60 000,- 

Ok, sorry, you based this on a 4 weeks. Misunderstood you. But how is he going to get this apartment for 3k only on a holiday?

Yes, 60k sounds about the correct minimum for living here.