Walker88

Thank you (facetiously), but unlike trumpers, I am a firm believer in 'one person, one vote', and the majority rules. That's called democracy, and until trump tried to overthrow it, it is the system under which the US operated. trump and trumpers are of the view where only their votes count, and getting fewer votes than the opposition doesn't mean they lose.

Yes, VPs can hold classified docs while serving. ALso, the behavior of Pence and Biden re classified docs is the polar opposite of trump. trump willfully stole the docs he had at his country club and subsequently lied about returning them. I think you know precious little about the classification system. You just engage in sophistry. I bet you didn't even know POTUS do not have a security clearance; their election is gives them the right to see classified things, albeit only while serving. As of 12:01PM on 20 January 2021, trump no longer had any right to view or possess anything classified, even at the Confidential level.

Pence and Biden inadvertently had some classified docs among their papers. Both men fully cooperated in locating and returning them. trump purposely stole TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD docs, and admitted he took them, offering silly excuses like "I declassified them all in my mind" and "I have a right to them" (he has zero right to them). trump then lied about returning all of them, which resulted in the FBI search of his country club. See the difference? Yea, I guess not. trump's vapors blind people to reality.

I missed the part when Clinton supporters engaged in a terrorist attack against the Capitol. I must also have missed Clinton's firebrand speech on the Mall where she encouraged her supporters to march to the Capitol, "because you'll never take back your country with weakness". I missed the part where Clinton worked with lawyers and sycophants to set up a system of fake electors to send to DC to obviate the will of the people and re-install her. I missed all Clinton's calls to State election officials to do things like 'just find me 11,780 votes'. I missed the part where Clinton browbeat the then VP to 'do the right thing' and not certify the election results. Perhaps you can post LINKS to all of those things and help us out.

You bet wrong. Served the US at various times as a CIA case officer. Gained an MBA from the top biz school in the US, then had a career in finance. I used many of the millions I made setting up an NGO, where I provided medical and dental care, schooling and mentoring to hundreds of underprivileged children. SEt up a program granting microloans for community start-up businesses. ALso, I took zero donations; totally self funded. Yea, on the govt teat my whole life.

Also, if justice was truly fair and equitably handed out, trump would already be in jail merely for possession of those highly classified documents, just as Air Force Reserve Officer Jack Teixeira is in jail awaiting trial for taking much less sensitive documents.

Allegations? Yes, here's one: trump admitted he had highly classified documents at his country club. The DoJ and FBI said the same thing. THAT is illegal. He admitted he had them, though he did offer up a silly excuse (declassified in his mind, had a 'right' to them). Claiming something contrary to established law (trump had zero right to the docs, and there exists a system and procedure for declassification, so it cannot be done 'in your head') does not make him innocent. He broke the law. The mere existence of the TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD docs in his country club---which was found to have at least one MSS member (Ministry of State Security of the Peoples Republic of China)---is criminal. No allegation. FACT.

The guy uses every shibboleth in the cult hand book, including 'globalist' and the use of 'leftist' in a disparaging way...aimed as a direct personal attack on the posters here who are not part of the cult. Goose and gander. Perhaps my comments will encourage some people to get up to speed on the facts related to trump, his performance as POTUS and how the economy and world community responded I tire of the brickbats tossed by trumpers, even on this Forum: "<deleted>, socialists, globalists, commies", etc. The cult understands precious little about US ideals, about democracy, and about socilaism Like most modern countries, the US has lots of social policies that would come under the umbrella of socialism, such as the military, the interstate highway system, FDIC insurance, the FDA that tries to make sure food and drugs are safe for human consumption. There are many aspects of society where there is not an economic incentive for a private sector to run it; hence the Federal Govt, using taxpayer money or debt, funds the service or entity. trump added much more when he imposed trade sanctions of China, then had to pay tens of billions to US farmers hurt when China cut back on ag buys from the US. THAT is socialism, too.

I wonder what you cultists believe 'leftist' means? The US economy consistently performs better under Dems, or "leftists". So does the stock market. Not a single (R) POTUS has ever NOT presided over the start of a Recession, trump being the latest. trump inherited 4.8% UE and left with UE at 6.8%. He left a Recession. He caused inflation by adding 41% to the US' accumulated National Debt since 1787, yet trump created that +41% debt in just 4 years. That's $24,000 for every American. Even with that profligacy, he left a Recession. No surprise, of course, coming from a 6-time bankrupt boy born with a silver spoon in his mouth, albeit totally lacking in talent, other than fooling the gullible. Then the non-leftist trump tried to overthrow American democracy. Not good. Oh, and those leftist Blue States are the net contributors to the Federal Budget, while the non-leftist Red States are the net takers, or parasites. non-leftists should get down on their knees and thank the successful leftists for generating the wealth that the mouthbreathing parasitic non-leftists live off.

You're right. It just take some of us who believe in democracy and rule of law, and maybe some of us who served, or some of us who can judge character and know trump is a mendacious, serial philandering, self-serving, willfully ignorant treasonous POS. It takes people who have been successful in life, not losers who need a messiah through which they can try to live vicariously. Losers, however, gonna lose. trump isn't going to salvage your life from abject mediocrity and meaninglessness.

My post was removed, so I will be more thorough. I mistakenly assumed people read the news. The Air Force Reserve Officer was was caught stealing documents via his job at Otis Air Force Base on Cape Cod---Jack Teixeira--- is being held pending trial. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/us/politics/teixeira-detention-hearing.html Harold Martin III, a contract analyst working at the NSA, took home documents to work at home. He is currently serving 9 years in jail. Martin was charged with illegal possession. He was not accused, nor charged, with passing any information to foreign sources, nor for showing any documents to any unauthorized person. https://www.npr.org/2019/07/19/743345689/ex-nsa-contractor-who-stole-top-secret-documents-sentenced-to-9-years-in-prison

How? I read the indictment.

That poster is sniffing the vapors. SC Smith has videos, emails, messages and (R) witnesses who have already testified under oath. When the trial comes, he will call those same witnesses to the stand, and they will say the same thing, lest they be charged with perjury for their earlier Grand Jury testimony. What they said (as per the indictment) and what they will say on the witness stand is that trump was intimately involved with the illegal attempt to eradicate American democracy, using everything from manufacturing fake electors to trying to pressure State elections officials to illegally change the vote.

In the parlance of 1950s America, Ms Lyndsey would be referred to as: "A confirmed bachelor"

Are you also QAnon? There is more proof that QAnon is real (none, actually) than that trump did not try to overthrow American democracy. When trump is found guilty and jailed for the rest of his miserable existence, no doubt you'll spout that other absurdist drivel of "Deep State"

You mean the regular traveler on Jeffrey Epstein's "Lolita Express"? That alan dershowitz?

Lou, post some of these 'many times'. You're so certain, it should be easy.

You can be of the opinion that the sun rises in the west and sinks in the east, too. Reading the indictment, and noting how it is backed up by video, email, messages and under oath witness statements---none of which have been contested, as the current defense tactic is to say trump has a right to lie about the election---says you simply think the sun rises in the west and you're going to stick with that.

trump's defense seems focused on trump's First Amendment right to lie. That means they will be admitting in court that trump lied and knew he lost the election to Biden. I wonder if the cult will not only applaud the defense tactic where trump admits to lying and losing, but still believe he won? When two polar opposite things are wholeheartedly embraced as factual, that is evidence of a cult. We've already seen this absurdity in trump's earlier indictment over the stolen classified documents, where his followers believed BOTH that trump declassified in his mind (sic) and also that the FBI planted the docs.

You either haven't read the indictment, or you are unable to understand it. I have to believe you're just trolling.

"Technically" maybe I shot the gun, but the bullet was what killed the deceased, not me" According to the indictment, when trump and eastman were trying to force VP Pence to decertify the election results, eastman said, "it's only a minor violation of the ECA". When the SC's evidence indicates the bad guys knowingly broke the law, that's not good.

You make blanket statements with absolutely nothing to back them up. When confronted, you resort to pabulum and weakness like "my explaining it to you will not help!" Though you're deep in the fever swamp of the cult, READ THE INDICTMENT. Note all of the videos, emails, messages and multiple witness testimonies (under oath) by people trump hired or appointed.

Please give us that history. Otherwise, you're just guessing. As for this indictment, videos, emails, memos and messages, plus multiple witness statements from trump's own people, are FACTS. The only point of the trial is to let trump make some excuse up, and then if at least one jury member believes what will be an obvious lie. Technically your point about trial and evidence might be correct, as Al Capone must never have had anyone killed, but he did cheat on his taxes....hence, jail. Of course Capone did have people killed, just as trump was intimately involved in a scam to overthrow US democracy.

Well then he must be a really poor leader, if he can't even keep his goobers peaceful. Hardly qualified to lead a nation of 335,000,000 people if he can't keep his actual supporters in line. BTW, what 'voice' must Congress hear? That many are whining because democracy said no to trump?

No, it wasn't debunked. It was marginalized by 1) restrictions put on Mueller, and 2) AG Barr getting in the way. FACT: Campaign Chair manafort traveled to Spain to meet GRU asset konstantin kilimnik, gave kilimnik internal polling data, kilimnik gave it to the GRU entity Internet Research Agency, who then microtargeted voters in key swing States with fake stories about HRC or other Dems, such as the silly uranium story. That FACT appeared in the (R) written SSCI report on russia. I submit you have minimal actual knowledge of the russia interference. It may never be fully publicized, partly because it might reveal critical clandestine sources and methods, violate commitments made to foreign intel liaison services, and mostly because trump commits crimes so quickly that there's plenty to charge him with now.