Mr Meeseeks

On 5/21/2020 at 3:45 AM, Chelseafan said:

Free flights have nothing to do with it. Most airlines offer their personnel discounted/free perks,

 

If you look at the top-line management team, they are pretty much all ex-military. Inflexible, unable to think outside the box unimiagnative and used to following rules and procedures. They have very little experience of running a business let alone an airline and sadly this formula has been repeated time and time again.

 

What you need in any well run company is a respected management team who understand market dynamics and competition and are customer foccussed whilst also keeping a tight reign on the purse-strings.

 

They need to privatise the whole damned operation whilst keeping govermental noses out of the business. It will take years to turn it around but its the airlines best chance of success.

 

 

This.

Welcome to Thailand.

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The Job overseas (rotational work) is ALL about putting family first - that's why we sacrifice ourselves and work away so we can support our family.

Half your life is spent away from your family.

How long can you support yourself standing only on one leg?

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You've failed to recongise the varying situations many are in.

 

Those who work on ships, rigs, or working a rotation in other industries - some on a 4weeks on weeks off schedule etc - this work is common.

 

Its impossible to take your family with you when working in such industries.

 

Your dumbed down over simplification only serves to highlight a myopic perspective, your closing comments just highlight what a tooling troll you are.

If it was so important to be with family they wouldn't be in those jobs in the first place.

I used to do that work and I never had a family nor would I have wanted one because I knew one month I would be in the Seadrill office in Rio in Brazil and next month I would be up in Sakhalin island  with Gazprom in minus thirty without windchill. 

I have known many fifo workers, mostly rig pigs and I have known many that gave up the work for their families. 

Many wives or girlfriends, mostly those based in UK and Aus laid down the law, them or the job...

Again, we have to deal with the choices we make and sometimes you have to put family first if that is what is really important to you.

13 minutes ago, Mattd said:

I am not away from my family, I work in an office here in Thailand and have done for many years thanks!

 

But on behalf of those that did have to leave their families, perhaps read the previous posts to get the answers.

You are missing the point again and again.

Nobody had to leave.

They made the choice to leave.

2 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

what does PR give a foreigner that a non immigrant visa does not ?

The ability to sit on the board of a Thai public company.

Voting rights as a shareholder in a public Thai company etc.

11 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

Thai women love money, but they don’t love for money.

 

Bingo.

21 minutes ago, Mattd said:

Not in the slightest, do I get annoyed with people who have no thought for others, yep sure do.

 

You didn't think of your family when you chose to go back to work?

Knowing full well that you may not be able to return to them due to the ongoing crisis?

Just now, BritManToo said:

Even for foreigners only staying for 90 days?

I'd make it mandatory for tourists.

Survival of the fittest.

4 minutes ago, Mattd said:

No, I see it completely differently, somebody has to do those jobs, the money isn't even close to what people imagine it to be, it is hard dangerous work, it is essential work.

Sanctimonious much?

2 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

Thats OK its their choice but when the farang husband finds out the money stops and then she can have her Thai boyfriend maybe all to herself whose probably a drunk on thai whiskey and waisted on yaba. And is probably screwing around on the farangs former wife. Thai men will screw around on their wives or girl friends ask the ladies working Nana or Soi Cowboy!

Is that an element of worry I detect in your post?

From the cases of men working offshore that caught their wives screwing around that I am personally aware of, most of them never even dumped their Thai wife or gf, and just pretended it never happened.

Some of the women still continued to do it after being caught and as soon as the mug was away back on the first hitch!

10 minutes ago, bbi1 said:

Those workers choose those jobs and they are making a killing doing it. Life is all about decisions and that's the jobs they choose.

In a nutshell.

2 minutes ago, Mattd said:

<deleted> are you going on about, who said that they (or me) are special?

The OP is about those Farangs that are stuck overseas away from their families, some posters seem to think that this is the persons fault, which, in some cases may be true, however, it was pointed out by myself and others that not everybody had a choice, some had to go to work to support their families, whether that be before this all kicked off, or after is irrelevant, for people to state that they should just have popped home before the ban is ridiculous to the extreme.

A lot of people simply have no appreciation of, or simply do not care, how difficult it can be. Selfish springs to mind.

 

Right now PR cannot enter, my Boss is stuck overseas, he has PR, work permit, the MD of an essential business etc.

Everyone had a choice.

You made the wrong one.

You went to work when it was plainly obvious that there was a high risk that you might not be able to return to Thailand to your family.

2 minutes ago, Keyser Soze666 said:

I honestly wouldn't. I would just go.

Yep, but there are those that think they should be allowed to stay just because.

Speaking the national language fluently should be a requirement in any country that you wish to stay permanently. 

It certainly is for the UK and Australia and you have to take a test to prove it.

Indeed there is a Thai language test for PR here but you can get assistance to translate the questions which I thought was a bit of a cheat.

Interestingly Bill Hienecke the billionaire CEO of Minor Food Group is a Thai citizen  and I believe he does not speak Thai... could be wrong on that one but.

5 minutes ago, Mattd said:

The naivety of some people is astounding at times, please think before you write, some are on fixed installations for one, cargo ships can't just pop in to port, offshore vessels are carrying out essential tasks and some cost 100,000 USD per day ++++ to operate, they cannot just stop what they are doing, plus a lot of countries have, like Thailand, stopped seafarers from carrying out crew changes, meaning that those onboard cannot get off as they have no relief joining, there are a huge number of people displaced due to this.

I do hope you all think of that the next time you put fuel in your car, cook, write on your imported computer, watch your imported TV, the list goes on and on, without these guys the world would be in dire straits, the supply line is essential.

These workers are sacrificing a lot so that we can live.

You are not special and neither are they. 

Why aren't you getting the joke here?

3 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Unfortunately, Thailand has little respect for such marriages.  This story just highlights the continuous insecurity of such relationships and the problem begins and ends with 'temporary visitor' status, which is an absurdity since marriage and parenthood is quite obviously something that is long term.  It's really a human rights issue imo.

There is an easy way to eliminate the hangers on and the ne'er do wells and allow a robust process of residence through marriage or parenthood.

Make it a requirement to speak, read and write fluent Thai.

Mandatory criminal record check for felons and warrants with home country and in Thailand.

Proof of income.

Without those, it would impossible to allow, due to the number of foreigners that would abuse the system.

After all, who wouldn't learn Thai to remain with their wife or kids?

Never going to happen though as the root cause is a fear and distrust of foreigners in particular Westerners.

3 minutes ago, Keyser Soze666 said:

Ironically, I wouldn't mind being 'stuck' outside now. Cooler climate, a chance to re-valuate things without distractions, missus not in my ear, proper food available, etc. But that's just me.

Re-evaluating is what every foreigner should be doing now, especially those stuck outside the country.

Think about what you are doing.

Assess the risks going forward.

1 minute ago, Darksidedude said:

A lot of people work rotational work in other county's especially oil workers like myself fly in fly out month on month off or whatever, people who were due to fly into Thailand for their R & R back to their family's cannot get back in, there are also many folk on retirement visas they may have had to go back to their home country's for business reasons or visa reasons, i can only get a spouse visa outside of Thailand, think before you speak man.

Again back to recognising your status.

None of that matters.