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What I said was the the standard current in the USA was 110-120 volts. To use a level 2 charger you need 220-240 volts. So in the US you need an electrician to create a 220 volt line. In Thailand the standard current is 220-240. No special installation needed. As for my comment about charging, it was in response to Transam about home basic charge for EV's. I pointed out that voltage in thailand is twice as strong as in the USA. (or for that matter Canada and Mexico)

I don't think so. This isn't some blue sky promise. Not vaporware. Its manufacture on a mass scale is imminent. Unless you think that CATL is not to be trusted. Do they have a history of making false promises?

I was pointing out the advantages of a transformer. It doesn't have to be located anywhere near the vicinity of a parking lot. And the conversation was about charging in parking lots. To use tanks you need to dig up ground. And how many more gas stations can be built in central bangkok to create what is essentially a no rise building. A lot less expensive and a lot more flexible to install chargers.

This is not about a new use or new approach . It's just a battery with improved storage capacity and fast charging times that will fit into autos currently being manufactured. Keep in mind that this battery is a product of the biggest EV battery company in the world.

The battery actually exists and is going into production in 2023.

Just maybe, just maybe, because BEV's are still a miniscule percentage of all vehicles in Thailand.

Even if that's true, and thanks for not citing any source at all, as per usual, much faster charging times are coming soon. And unlike the situation with gasoline, the charging stations don't depend on staff for servie. So you don't have to wait for service when the station is busy. I don't know about you, but I spend a lot of time waiting for my payments to be processed when the staff is stressed.

You're correct. My mistake. It's in a vault below the roof. But how is that relevant to the fact that unlike a tank of fuel, the tranformer can be located way up high, far from a parking space?

L2 chargers operate at 208-240 V and output anywhere from 3 kW to 19 kW of AC power. This power output translates to 18-28 miles of range per hour. An average EV can be fully charged in 8 hours or less. So let me get this straight. You're claiming that after being charged for an hour, your phone battery is charged enough to power an EV 18-28 miles? That it holds just as much charge from an hour of charging as that EV battery does? Apparently, not only did you build a phone in 1975 that's the equivalent of a phone today, but you've also created the most powerful battery in existence. Congratulations!

I suspect that as time goes by and EV's gradually become more common and then prevalent, condo owners will agree to installing the cheapest options first and work their way up to the most expensive, and most profitable, ones.

If I were cruel, I would say that I think dyslexia is hilarious. Here's the headline once again: "San Francisco: New Rooftop Transformers Improve Office Building’s Reliability, Safety "It was quite a sight Saturday (June 16) as the crane removed two of the old transformers and guided them to the street below. Then, one by one, the crane hoisted the new 17,700-pound transformers to the roof and placed them in the vault" What does "rooftop" mean to you?

And of course a condo could take a far less expensive route and offer level 3 chargers instead of superchargers. Or even level 2 chargers.

Thanks for showing me that I was wrong about the cost of installing a commercial level supercharger. And I'm sure you'll also thank me for pointing out that your comparison of the cost of installing a charger to the cost of maintaining smoking lounge was invalid. A payback period of 2 to 4 years sounds like an excellent investment for a condo to make.

It's only true if the station is maxxed out for the entire day and people are waiting for charges.

I guess you don't know that state utility commission can set rates in such a way as to guarantee that the utility makes a profit. Many of these utilities are monopolies. Whichi is a situation that suits greedy capitalists just fine. Unless you believe that they're all devotees of Ayn Rand. And what makes your arguments all the more ridiculous is that utilities overwhelmingly are conceding that coal power no longer makes economic sense so they won't be building coal plants in the future. ANd as for renewables contributing to brownouts and or blackouts: Wind and solar power are 'bailing out' Texas amid record heat and energy demand Texans are cranking on the air conditioning this week amid an unusually early heat wave, setting new records for electricity demand in the state, which surpassed 75 gigawatts on Sunday and smashed the 2019 record... But unlike previous extreme weather events in Texas which led to deadly blackouts, the grid is holding up remarkably well this week. Several experts told CNN that it's owed in large part to strong performances from wind and solar, which generated 27 gigawatts of electricity during Sunday's peak demand -- close to 40% of the total needed. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/14/us/texas-energy-record-solar-wind-climate/index.html

Define forever. I've read that it can take 24 hours to do that. But that's for the USA. Keep in mind that in the US the voltage is half of what it is in thailand. So, 12 hours to fully charge. Plug in your car in the evening and you should get pretty close to a full charge in 12 hours. And that's if your battery is virtually empty. Not gonna be the case too often. So think of all the time you've saved by not having to go out of your way to get to a service station and then the time it takes to fill up the car. And now it's down to 2 minutes for filling a tank? Not even yellowtail made such an extravagant claim. 2 minutes certainly doesn't correspond to my experience at filling stations.

Most denialists aren't even claiming that anymore. Now they're ex-denialists. Instead, they've turned to conceding that human-caused climate change is real but it can be managed through adaptation and it's not that serious. Anyway, it's kind of refreshing to see someone clinging to the old beliefs. Kind of like encountering a fire worshiper, Which, in a way, you are.

They don't cost that much. And level 2 chargers cost a lot less. And level 1 chargers less than that. But presumably, if superchargers were installed, users will be charged for the use of one, so it might actually generate a profit, no? So really not like a cleaning service for the smoking area. Unless, of course, smokers are being charged for the use of it.

Alleged personal experiences apparently are all you've got. You think this qualifies as evidence? Is this like your claim that you purchased a phone in 1975 for $8 and now a phone costs $1600. Since your comparison only is relevant if the capabilities of those phones are the same, I have to ask you are you a time traveler? Come to think of it I guess not since you claimed the phone cost $8. You must have built it yourself. Which is amazing considering all the things that a $1600 phone can do nowadays.

Why would EV charging facilities be more crowded than gas stations? It's true that currently there are less charging stations, but there are also a lot less EV's out there than autos. Is it that you don't believe in the laws of supply and demand?

Really? Boys who were perceived to be gay, because they exhibited behaviors that were considered effeminate, didn't get bullied? Not believable.

For one thing, there is the issue of monopolies. In most states, utilities don't face competition. Also you can't just shut down a power plant unless you have something to replace it with. And that takes time. But most of the coal power plants in the USA are shut down already. And in the USA some states, like Ohio, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and Montana actually have laws that protect their coal plants. Oddly enough, all these states have powerful coal mining interests operating there. And state utility regulators aren't necessarily enthusiastic promoters of the free market. And utility companies generally have a monopoly on power supply. Utilities Running Uneconomic Coal Plants Cost Consumers $3.5 Billion From 2015-2017 Investors paying attention to energy economics understand coal-fired power is a great way to lose money. Murray Energy’s bankruptcy makes it clear coal can’t compete in the electricity sector, yet coal keeps clinging to life, especially when owned and operated by monopoly utilities. https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2019/12/03/utilities-running-uneconomic-coal-plants-cost-consumers-35-billion-from-2015-2017/?sh=3dd51758342d

Sure. Bullying of gay kids wasn't a serious problem until info about gay people was mentioned in classrooms. Seriously?

The mandates are there because burning coal is terribly polluting. Among other things it releases mercury, a well known neurotoxin into the atmosphere. Attempts to create clean coal plants have failed miserably. And fossil fuel plants create CO2 which is the main greenhouse gas responsible for global warming. In addition natural gas extracton releases huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere. Methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than is CO2. It just doesn't last as long.

San Francisco: New Rooftop Transformers Improve Office Building’s Reliability, Safety SAN FRANCISCO—Replacing electrical transformers is no easy feat, especially when the equipment is housed at the top of a 37-story office building in San Francisco’s bustling Financial District. PG&E is overseeing an electrical improvement project months in the making to replace three transformers in a vault just below the roof of 50 California St., which at 487 feet high is the 22nd tallest building in San Francisco. https://www.pgecurrents.com/2012/06/19/san-francisco-new-rooftop-transformers-improve-office-building’s-reliability-safety/ There are plenty of others. Just do a search using something called Google which works via something called the interweb or something like that.