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5 minutes ago, connda said:

Bottom line: FAFO.

Now that he has "F***ed Around", Zelensky is about to "Find Out." 

He should of shown some humility, respect, and signed the mineral deal with a smile.
Instead?
He's coddled and pampered by the Europeans and UK elites who viscerally hate Russia and Russians, who want to see Russia's demise, and who want war until the last Ukrainian fighting man as well as their own troops are dead.  So now the Trump administration called him out.  He wants to continue the war.  Ok.  So he and Europe and the UK can throw money and men into Ukraine's Eastern Front meat-grinder until there is nothing left. Scream "Article 5" until they are blue in the face.  The US is done with this.

Zelensky should take the hint, retire, and move to his favorite European abode. However, I doubt he will and I doubt he'll be still sucking air when the first flowers bloom in Ukraine.

Bottom line.

US and Russia carved up Ukraine, planned to split the spoils without offering Ukraine anything.  That was 'the deal'.

And they presented that in a very open way, attempting to publicly humiliate the Ukrainian president. In the end it will be bad for the US.

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Trump and Vance behaved like Trump and Vance. Trump quite succinctly told Zelenskyy he had no cards to play.  He was there to make a deal, and Zelensky was overlaying his hand, thinking the US was his Trump card, so to speak.  Trump reminded him calmly that that simply wasn't the case.  JD Vance also explained, but Zelensky persisted, and what followed was epic.  An extended shouting match for all the world to see.  A fool overlying his hand.  Calling the Vice President a "bitch" under his voice was all everyone needed to hear.  

 

Trump was there to make a deal, not relive history.  And Zelenskyy had no hand to play without an agreement with the USA, which was not forthcoming. And wo we witnessed a crazed fool on an extended rant.  Trump knew, and the world now knows, Zelenskyy is out.  A dead man walking, no matter what he does.  Kicked out of the White House, he now has two options:  Come back when he's ready to make a deal, or leave, go home, and meet his demise there.  

 

Trump is ready to make a deal, and he makes deals only with someone at the table, ready to deal. Who's left at the table? The USA and Russia.  There's your deal going forward I'm afraid.  Bad for Ukraine, which will cease to exist, but good for world peace.  

 

And I'd be very very worried right now, if I lived in London or Paris, capital cities of both of the Europe's nuclear powers.  London and Berlin are on the chopping block, sooner rather than later, perhaps. 

What deal? We take the minerals, you lose the Crimea, Russia won't pay any damages and we don't guarantee this won't happen again next year?

2 minutes ago, thesetat said:

The war began when Zelenski tried to join NATO. Which would have effectively allowed weapons from NATO into their country and on the borders of Russia as a threat

Look at a map.

15 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

He spoke well. Zelensky is now begging for help on Fox. Zelensky lost that one. 

Zelensky showed he has class.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What a difference a day makes, LOL.

Yes, extremely stupid of the trump administration to announce that. Did they really think they would get minerals without giving anything in return?

3 hours ago, MicroB said:

Vance's fault. The man is a tit who realises he's worse than the spare. Remember, when he was 8, his grandmother told him to go have sex with a man.

 

The President was taking a question from a Ukrainian journalist about neutrality; it was an understandable question/

 

The President was doing ok, talking about trying to keep neutral, all for world peace. He then moves on to the next question, move on.

 

But Vance interjects. The question wasn't even aimed at him, but he interupted the President, and pushed a few buttons. He did dismiss nearly 10 years of talks with Russia. Zelensky is human. I'm not even sure what Vance was supposed to  be doing except gurning for the cameras and fluttering his girlish eyelashes. Came over as a complete <deleted>.

 

He tried it on with Prime Mnister Starmer, trying to upset a congenial conversaton between two allies, with his nonsense about free speech, and trying to stir up the Apple story. Starmer was cleverer than him, and didn't rise to it. Starmer was a respected (genuinely) lawyer, and was clearly better prepared to head off the knob from Ohio, who's great claim to fame is writing a book about his crackhead whore of a mum, and how his grannie wanted him to be buggered by a man.

 

He was supposed to be the Tech Bro in the cabinet, regaling them all about the whizzy investments he has made (keeping quiet about the investment made in fetal stem cell research, because that will likely go down like a bag of sick), in a cabinet full of loyal but thick ideologues. He was going to rise above them. But then Musk turned up with his kid. The day before Starmer, there was the first  US cabinet meeting. The headlines were all about Musk, who is not a cabinet member, telling the cabinet about stuff. The Veep was silent.

 

Vance has a significant investment in AmplifyBio. AmplifyBio is a CRO; they carry out drug testing on behalf of the drug companies, using a mixture of primates and stem cells.

 

https://eu.dispatch.com/story/business/2021/05/05/battelle-investors-including-j-d-vance-launch-gene-therapy-startup/4935970001/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trump wanted to gain access to valuables without giving anything in return. It was made a lot worse by his lapdog.

Zelensky was polite, trump showed again he is a terrible human being and an even worse negotiator.

2 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

They formed the Eu to try to compete with the USA. It has been a spectacular failure. 

The opposite of a failure according to trump.

58 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

So true. The left is pathetic. Now they hate EVs. They call themselves "progressives" 55. More like regressive crazies.

As someone said 'musk is not a nazi, the Nazis made good cars'.

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

No. Thats because they were all complete BS and he knew he would win the election (again). Too many eyes on the shenannigans and 2 big 2 rig. Seems Trump is energized and focused after the cheating and lawfare. It's great.

Winning the election was his only chance to avoid jail. And he took it.