Wobblybob

Just now, WDSmart said:

An immediate release of all hostages should be conditional on an exchange for all prisoners, and the ceasefire should be permanent and include a withdrawal of all IDF troops.

That's got to be one of your most embarrassing posts to date! 🥴

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

And Hamas is not going to release the hostages without a ceasefire. And I believe the longer the ceasefire, the more hostages will be released, but not ALL the hostages will be released until there is a PERMANENT ceasefire and withdrawal of the IDF.

That is up to Hamas and the price of not releasing the hostages will be high, on their own backs be it.🥴

Just now, WDSmart said:

My hands are down. I don't think either side will do anything "unconditionally." 

You have just answered Israels predicament then, Israel will not abandon the hostages and why would they just to cave in to a bunch of terrorists demands!

Just now, Goat said:

Happy to. I was replying to John Drakes post. 

And I might add, despite your PC wokeness, there is no anti discimination laws in Thailand to prevent people from expressing their opinions about Brits.

Defender of the xenophobes now. 🥴

35 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Now, just imagine the World outrage and condemnation if Israel paraded a Hamas terrorist with his ear cut off . If the IDF cut off a Hamas terrorists ear (and made him eat that ear by reports) and then paraded him if front of the cameras .

   There would be massive condemnation of Israel , but as its Russia , just a shrug of the shoulders 

The UN held a minutes silence for the Moscow terrorist attack, I cannot remember them doing the same for the 1200 Israeli massacred. No Jews, no news.🥴

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

Without release of the prisoners, no, I don't believe they will. That said, the demand for the ceasefire is not contingent on the release of the hostages.

Israel is not going to have a cease fire without the release of the hostages and the terrorists surrendering that is all too apparent, all a ceasefire would achieve is to give time for the terrorists to regroup and to carry on their promise of taking all the Israeli land and killing all the Israelis, the terrorists lie and cannot be trusted. Israel must do what is right to secure their own existence!

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Speechless.

Maybe you will become less mute when you read what this elderley woman had to say about the real reason of food shortages in Gaza.

An elderly Palestinian woman has accused Hamas of hoarding international aid during a live TV interview, in a rare case of Gazans criticising the group in the media.

The unnamed woman was speaking to Al Jazeera when she took Hamas to task, apparently unconcerned about the consequences of doing so.

“All the aid goes underground,” she said in Arabic, an apparent reference to Hamas’ vast network of underground tunnels, which it uses to hide supplies for the war on Israel. “It does not reach all the people.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/08/elderly-gazan-accuses-hamas-stealing-aid-rare-criticism/

Al Jaz and Hamas lies backfires on them.

The Hamas terror group and Qatari news outlet Al Jazeera have admitted that a report about IDF soldiers raping Palestinian women in the Gaza Strip was a lie, after the claim sparked mass panic in the coastal enclave.

On Sunday, Al Jazeera published a story in Arabic which falsely stated that Israeli soldiers had sexually assaulted women at Al-Shifa Hospital.

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20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Which is why Hamas will likely refuse. They must know that any resolution without a permanent ceasefire, but with release of all hostages will only result in a far worse massacre once the hostages are released, and there is nothing to restrain the IDF. I could be wrong, but till they agree or don't, that is my opinion.

 

I suppose they were unable to include a permanent ceasefire because the US ( the land of the free, LOL ) would have vetoed it.

 

One wonders just how many dead children it will take for the US to do the right thing"

I'm guessing, but when polling suggests Biden is in for a hiding in November if he doesn't stop israel would be likely.

It is only Russia that wants a permanent cease fire, Russia is a morally corrupt country that should not have a say in what goes on in any other country, they are liars and by the latest shenanigans they have tortured the terrorist suspects said to be involved in the Moscow attack and cut an ear of one of them, but you'd sooner listen to Russia than the US, weird. 😩

8 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Hands up who thinks Israel will abide by the resolution. Judging by Netanyahu's reaction, I doubt it very much. He cancelled a trip to Washington

Hands up if you think that Hamas will unconditionally release all the hostages like the council has demanded. But just between you and myself..... I don't think so. 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Nonsense, you are being irrational now. Where did I once post hate speech? Quote me. 

Sorry to burst your bubble but you applauded a post describing Israelis as Nazis.

16 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

This conflict did NOT start on Oct 7, 2023! You can call that the start of a new "war," or you can, as I prefer, call that just the continuation of an 80-year-old war. It's a war to gain control of all the land in question. 

Your preferences are of no interest to right minded posters. 

54 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Of course, it doesn't matter where the human shields came from, or who put them there, they should not be killed. Jeez, what's the point of having human shields otherwise. Israel are the only country that I know of, well maybe Syria that have no problem slaughtering innocent kids and women used as shields as they don't believe them to be human. 

How can anyone in their right mind say otherwise? The whole world, bar Israel fundamentalists agree that it is wrong. 

And how can "anyone in their right mind" blame Israel for the actions of Hamas (rhetorical question) as I know already the reason.

48 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes! Exactly! But I don't believe this "war" started on Oct 7, or at least Oct 7 was just another stage of an 80-year-long war. If there had been no problems for the past 80 years, or even the past year, I'd agree that all this started on Oct 7. But it didn't, 

You'd believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden if it meant you could blame Israel. Even your own link agreed this war started on 7/10. Stop being so disingenuous!

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I don't agree with that. This is not ALL the making of Hamas. I consider ALL the massacres that have occurred over the past 80 years or so.

Of course you do William, if you believed that the war really started on 7/10 that would dismantle the whole framework of your argument and you wouldn't be able to blame Israel. 

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

All my posts make the points I want to make. You may not consider those points valid, but others on this forum and I do.

I can't entirely agree with most of your posts, but I usually can see the point you are trying to make. And, of course, that is usually something to denigrate Palestinians and/or extoll Israelis. 

It is not too difficult to denigrate phycopathic killers.

You cannot understand or refuse to understand that all this is the making of Hamas and the Israelis actions are a result of the massacres. 

Just now, WDSmart said:

No, but I'm sure many of my posts go over yours...

William is losing it, things not going his way. You haven't made one valid point from start to finish.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, there are some that think you can't have love and marriage without beating your wife... 🥹

Gone over your head?

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Please reread the title of the article... 🤨

Please refer to my quote from your link.

Just now, WDSmart said:

I don't ALWAYS defend the "terrorists." I have NEVER defended their Oct 7 attack or their taking of hostages. I have attempted to explain all that from THEIR perspective, but THEIR perspective is not always MY perspective. And the Israeli perspective is also not always MY perspective, especially as it concerns the bombing and invasion of Gaza.

I'm not criticizing Israel for wanting to DEFEND its own citizens. I'm criticizing Israel for the nature of the IDF's bombing and invasion of Gaza.

And I reserve the right to criticize anyone for anything at any time. 

I'm not criticizing Israel for wanting to DEFEND its own citizens. I'm criticizing Israel for the nature of the IDF's bombing and invasion of Gaza.

It's like love and marriage.......you can't have one without the other.

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

New Polling Shows How Much Global Support Israel Has Lost | TIME

Interestingly your link confirms when the war started and it doesn't tally with what you claim.

The war began on Oct. 7, when Hamas massacred some 1,200 Israelis and took 240 hostage. Israel's retaliation has resulted in the reported deaths of at least 24,000 Palestinians, most of them women and children. Last week, the International Criminal Court took up South Africa's case charging Israel with committing “genocidal acts” in Gaza.

Just now, WDSmart said:

The lights are on over here. You just have your sunglasses on to filter in only the light you want to see.

What is bad in your eyes is based on your continual defending the terrorists, you are in no position to criticise Israel for wanting to safeguard its own citizens!

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My answer is "yes" to your question above. That's not an unqualified "yes," but it's a "yes" that means you should be doing much, much more of what you describe in your question and much, much less of defending the IDF's revenge killings as you are doing now.

IMO, and in the growing conclusion of most of the world, the IDF's barbarous military actions in Gaza do have a large quality of "revenge" about them. I don't consider them just "retaliatory."

You have finally lost the plot, the lights are on but nobody is in.🥴

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I try not to be to sure about everything and anything, except this is a great dissaster for Europe, the Ukrainian and Russian People

 

 

Could you please be more specific?

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I'm not trying to "make excuses for these terrorist monsters." I admit my posts are predominantly one-sided, but that's because ALL of yours (and others) are also. I am just trying to make sure both sides are presented. 

I do consider the IDF bombing and now invasion of Gaza have a lot of revenge in it. That is the correct wording, the wording I wanted to use to convey the nature of the excessive civilian casualties Gaza has suffered. 

I'm not trying to "make excuses for these terrorist monsters." I admit my posts are predominantly one-sided, but that's because ALL of yours (and others) are also. I am just trying to make sure both sides are presented. 

Are you saying that by us stating that Hamas and friends made incursions into Israel to commit these massacres is biased and we are not being fair to the phycopathic killers, are you suggesting we should be more understanding and forgive them which which would give them carte blanche to carry out more attrocities in Israel.

I do consider the IDF bombing and now invasion of Gaza have a lot of revenge in it. That is the correct wording, the wording I wanted to use to convey the nature of the excessive civilian casualties Gaza has suffered. 

Ensuring or trying to ensure these attrocities never happen again can ever be described as "revenge"!