CRUNCHER

Lets see if I have got this right. 

Two days of packed supermarkets (or until they run out) - four days of binge drinking - 25 days of hangover and cold turkey.

That is, of course, that the story is true. I still find it hard to believe. A bit of kite flying? 

Don't like to be a party pooper, but the lock down introduced on 9th April was all the road blocks.

Don't count your beers until the caps are off.

9 hours ago, treetops said:

That's surprising.  It was open couple of days ago.  I only got as far as the guy with the hand wash and temp gun at the entrance, as he told me the shop I was wanting to go to was closed, but something in there must be up and running to warrant the check.

Could it be the supermarket?

Looks great, but what about social distancing? 

Where has this thread gone to. It started with the lock down cock-up and now it full of hot air and wind.

Anyone know what is happening with the lock down going forward?

9 minutes ago, time2093 said:

Your not a very bight doctor Dr. Tuner to think you can catch HIV from going down on a go go girl.

Quite safe if you wear a mask.????

12 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Worked up a sweat in a 15 minute walk, Mask was sopping wet?

Maybe need to get a bit fitter. 
You can always change the mask before you enter. 

I am quite fit thank you. Always been a heavy sweater - good thing stops body overheating.

Back to the masks - believe me it takes very little sweat to soak a mask as I found out.  Masks are already in short supply so why over use when not necessary?

Of course one problem is obtaining a mask. No matter what anyone says they are not widely available - in Pattaya at least.

On 3/31/2020 at 4:39 PM, DeeMak9 said:

The last pandemic was only a 100 years ago. The last world war less than 80. What makes you think this isn't going to happen again?

 

The last pandemic was 2009/10 - it is some times called swine fever.  Started in Mexico, although the first recorded cases were in USA.

23 minutes ago, Letseng said:

South Korea and China showed that WHO is wrong. If we all wear a mask we reduce the amount of droplets. Some lucky ones may have FFP3 masks and be protected by a useless mask from breathing in droplets altogether. I wear one outside wherever I go.

And Singapore shows that WHO is right. Compare Singapore's infection and death rates with those in China and South Korea.

54 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

This is also what the leaders of rare countries like Sweden, Switzerland think.

Morality has nothing to do or see in what is happening today.
The countries that have done (South Korea) or are currently doing (Germany) a massive screening will be the ones that will do the best and the quickest.
And Mr. Trump, you can think what you want from him, but he made the right decision: to make sure that the economy of his country did not collapse.
The others, because of the gross ignorance of their leaders will be plunged into a serious recession;
millions of jobs lost, most forever.
All this by an unreasonable fear which comes from nowhere except maybe of the European middle ages ... well fed by the newspapers " aux ordres " which ALL belong to billionaires.

very many dead who have absolutely nothing to do with the Covid will be declared because of it while these people, mostly elderly or very elderly, died because they already had 1 or 2 or even 3 significant pathologies.
the Covid will only speed up the process but has never been the lethal factor.

A couple of take aways from your interesting post.

First I am reminded of the Roosevelt quote - "The only thing you need to fear is fear itself". 

Second, an item from Sky TV a couple of days ago. The UK death toll then was about 760 and 98% of those had underlying health conditions. The Imperial model predicted about 20,000 deaths in UK. Medical experts estimated half of those 20,000 would have died within a year anyway. Of course this is just prediction. It sounds a bit callous, but it does, perhaps, put thing in a different perspective.

14 minutes ago, baansgr said:

At a minimum 3% fatality rate....let's just work out the tens of millions of deaths worldwide....will shadow Spanish flu..

You have a point, but before we estimate the numbers relating to a 3% mortality rate we need to know the infection rate numbers. Some experts are predicting something closer to  a 1% mortality rate.  We will not know until it is over.

The world seemed to go to a lock down mentality before the extent of the spread was known.  History will, perhaps, show that this was the correct approach.  Until we get to that time I cannot help but have reservations.

Still, we have gone down that road and it is too late to change.  Time will tell.  

46 minutes ago, jmccarty said:

Letting it run its course was largely what 2009 Swine flu pandemic did. The casualty number is not clear, but it was a lot even after several vaccines were made available.

 

A vaccine, if available and safer than the virus itself, would be welcome before letting it run rampant.

You are right to raise the issue of the swine flu - the last pandemic. Estimated casualty numbers vary, but the upper end is 1.4 billion infected with 500,000 dead (Wikipedia). Another factor with swine flu is that it died out in 2009 only to re-appear in 2010.

  The economic impact of the approach to COVID 19 is going to be horrendous.  The suffering this will cause can only be imagined (or perhaps can't). I have asked myself, before Trump even raised it, - is the cure worse than the illness? 

Unfortunately I cannot answer my own question.  What I would like to have is a professional and definitive answer to the question - why is COVID 19 being treated differently to Swine Flu?

51 minutes ago, Yinn said:

You will not know for 4-5 days. Those 4-5 days will spread.

 

 

I not worry myself. 

I worry about other people. Thousands people die everyday now.

 

If I get it I will not die, because young, healthy, female. 

 

I worry that kill somebody. Must be resposabilty for other people. 

 

I also worry the economy. If longer time = more loss for many people.

You may be in a low risk group, but you will not die????  Dream on baby. That attitude is irresponsible and costs live. Everyone should accept that they could die.

Washing hands and social distancing saves lives. Giving people a false sense of security that wearing a mask swill save them is also irresponsible. They should take the proper precautions.

I see people going into a super markets wearing a mask, but failing to use the hand sanitiser that is usually provided.

It says the certificate must be issued by a hospital (rather than a private doctor??). In Hong Kong and Macau that would be problematic.  They are far too busy for that nonsense.

From Cathay Pacific website - Travel Restrictions

That is the first I have heard of insurance.

The link to Ministry of Public Health is also interesting.

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/index_more.php