Jeff the Chef

Really, OK give the worlds independent press access to Israel and also all the UN/ICC/WRW investigators etc etc

That isn't for us to say, the fact that it has been reported/alleged to me makes it imperative that it is independently investigated by the powers that be. The Zionists trying to muddy the waters of this reporting just makes their conduct all the more suspicious.

I personally couldn't careless who reports atrocities and you attacking the opposition organisations for reporting your sides atrocities makes no difference to the fact that said atrocities need independent scrutiny.

Where's the difference between the Zionists propaganda and your alleged Hamas propaganda? Same as always no independent journalism out of Israel does nothing for your argument, if the media had free and unbiased reporting there would be no problems, as it is what are the Israeli's trying to hide?

Euro-Med Monitor sends UN rapporteurs, ICC Prosecutor primary report documenting dozens of field execution cases in Gaza. Geneva - In a primary report submitted to UN special rapporteurs and the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor has documented dozens of cases of field executions carried out by the Israeli army in the Gaza Strip. The human rights group requested an immediate investigation into these crimes, calling for the perpetrators to be held accountable, and for justice for all victims. https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6058

Times of Israel, proper propaganda, if there are no independent journalist, who have the freedom to publish, it's tomorrows fish and chip paper.

Trolling along with another deflection, wouldn't expect anything else. Answer the question, and while you're at it show the proof of that, if you have it.

I bet this does not end well for either party.

So where's the link to the other media outlets?

Unless this can be verified by independent journalist as far as I'm concerned it is no better than Al J, Propaganda, so when will the Israeli's let then in?

Religion and Politics the route of all evil in this world.

Sorry I was thanking you with a "Cheers" for putting me on to Google to answer the question, crying out loud you can't do anything on here without upsetting someone.

Cheers, As of October 2023, the United States has 599 active Foreign Military Sales (FMS) cases, valued at $23.8 billion, with Israel. FMS cases notified to Congress are listed here; priority initiatives include: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Aircraft; CH-53K Heavy Lift Helicopters; KC-46A Aerial Refueling Tankers; and precision-guided munitions. From FY 2018 through FY 2022, the U.S. has also authorized the permanent export of over $5.7billion in defense articles to Israel via the Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) process. The top categories of DCS to Israel were XIX-Toxicological Agents, Including Chemical Agents, Biological Agents, and Associated Equipment (this includes detection equipment ((f)), vaccines ((g)-(h)) and modeling software ((i)); IV- Launch Vehicles, Guided Missiles, Ballistic Missiles, Rockets, Torpedoes, Bombs, and Mines; and VII- Aircraft. https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel/#:~:text=Since its founding in 1948,joint exercises%2C and helping Israel

If I'd seen the answer I wouldn't of asked the question. Common knowledge to you maybe. I read both links I put up, never saw anything in plain English. So whoever finances this conflict has nothing to do with this topic, got you.

Rubbish, simple question, "All I'm looking for is a straight answer to where $3.3billion a year plus an additional $14.3billion if approved goes."? If you can't/won't answer say so, but where's the honesty.

All I'm looking for is a straight answer to where $3.3billion a year plus an additional $14.3billion if approved goes.

So are you saying that the US economy does/doesn't benefit from these monies?

Looks like a good business deal to me, $3.3 billion to the Israeli military and $121 million to help the people of Gaza in humanitarian assistants. Today in El-Arish, Egypt, Administrator Samantha Power announced that the United States, through USAID, will provide more than $21 million in additional humanitarian assistance for the people of Gaza and the West Bank affected by the ongoing conflict, which has left approximately 2.2 million people in need of humanitarian assistance. Today’s announcement builds on the $100 million in U.S. humanitarian assistance announced by President Biden on October 18. https://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/dec-05-2023-united-states-announces-additional-humanitarian-assistance-palestinian-people

Israel is the leading global recipient of Title 22 U.S. security assistance under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program. This has been formalized by a 10-year (2019-2028) Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). Consistent with the MOU, the United States annually provides $3.3 billion in FMF and $500 million for cooperative programs for missile defense. https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel/#:~:text=Since its founding in 1948,joint exercises%2C and helping Israel

We're all from different places so there are bound to be odd interpretations of what's being said and not trying to be rude to you Brian, you do wind me up with some of the way you comment and I like to think I've been around long enough to get over that sort of thing. That said, I agree on the need for honesty, maybe give a few a bit of slack now and again.

Post of the week

Maybe so, but arguing back and forth between the factions on here is getting a bit tedious, I was trying to find something that we could all agree with for once.

Give us that in plain language, please.

True, complicated init?

Had a look at Wiki for Efraim Karsh and there seems to be a lot of debate on some of his views, not unlike on here, as has been said, " a complicated subject, all round" Howard Sachar sees Karsh as the "preeminent scholar-spokesman of the Revisionist (politically-rightist) Movement in Zionism." Prominent New Historian Benny Morris called Karsh's Fabricating Israeli History "a mélange of distortions, half-truths, and plain lies that vividly demonstrates his profound ignorance of both the source material... and the history of the Zionist-Arab conflict," titling his article "Undeserving of a Reply". Morris adds that Karsh belabors minor points while ignoring the main pieces of evidence. Political scientist Ian Lustick commented that Karsh's writing in Fabricating Israeli History was malevolent, and his analysis erratic and sloppy. Yezid Sayigh, professor of Middle East studies, wrote that Karsh "is simply not what he makes himself out to be, a trained historian (nor political/social scientist)."[14][better source needed] Karsh accused Sayigh of a "misleading misrepresentation of my scholarly background" and retorted that Sayigh's remarks were "not a scholarly debate on facts and theses but a character assassination couched in high pseudo-academic rhetoric". In a review of Rethinking the Middle East, el-Aswad writes "It seems, in many cases, that whatever does not match the author's views is charged with fraud and deception".