Jeff the Chef

Israeli's are not all the same, well worth a watch. The Bottom Line Gideon Levy: Israel has achieved nothing with war on Gaza Israeli journalist Gideon Levy on the implications of Israel’s strategy for long-term war in Gaza. Given a choice between war and getting all its captives back, Israel has opted for more war, argues Israeli journalist Gideon Levy. Levy tells host Steve Clemons that Israeli politicians may abandon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but even if he was replaced, Israel would continue its war on Gaza and occupation of the Palestinian people as a whole. “Radical change” in Israeli attitude and US support is needed for any improvement in the situation, says Levy. After October 7, even those on the Israeli left believe that Israel has the right to do whatever it wants, the Haaretz columnist argues. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2024/6/2/gideon-levy-israel-has-achieved-nothing-with-war-on-gaza

To me it's all because Biden is a Zionist through and through, all his political career he has supported Israel, he doesn't get that not everyone agrees with what Israel has become, all the US support they have had for decades has worsened the Middle East situation due without doubt to the AIPAC lobby. For what it's worth the same problem is getting into UK politics through the Friends of Israel, Conservative or Labour Parties, needs stopping.

Hamas was legitimately elected by the Palestinian people back in 2006/7, unfortunately the powers that be US/Israel and their Allies then decides they are Terrorists, which I don't have a problem with, US/Israel and their Allies have then carried on until this current crisis with no thought to elections to oust them, now could there have been fresh elections in Gaza? Would that have been possible during the times when there was less fighting, but no because Israel has always managed the propaganda war by playing the PLO and Hamas factions to keep everything to Israel's benefit, there was never a thought to the situation, we are seeing now, imho. The fact you only see one point of view is your problem, I think I have moved admittedly not much but more to the plight of ordinary Palestinians caught up in all this, and towards the Israeli's who want their families back together. Sadly to me the powers that be on both sides couldn't give a fig for ordinary people as long as they keep their powers.

Yes, one of the posts I'll stand by forever. Does Israel ever comply with the UN? Are Palestinians considered equal to Israeli citizens? If not why not? Israeli Public Opinion Polls: Regarding Peace with the Palestinians and a Palestinian State (1978 - Present) https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-polls-regarding-peace-with-the-palestinians

what the hell are we as Human Beings supposed to do when we see all this day in day out? Both sides claiming their sides propaganda is gospel truth when clearly all there is is arguments from both sides. Politics and Religion, Humanities forever crisis.

Two far-right Israeli ministers have threatened to resign and bring down the governing coalition of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu if he accepts a peace proposal laid out by US President Joe Biden. Biden unveiled on Friday what he said was a three-phase Israeli proposal to end the conflict in Gaza that would pair a release of hostages with a “full and complete ceasefire.” During a speech at the White House, Biden said Hamas had been degraded to a point where it could no longer carry out the type of attack seen on October 7 that launched the current war in Gaza. “It’s time for this war to end,” he said, a clear indication that – as far as he is concerned – Israel’s war goals have been met. But the Israeli government’s two most prominent far-right members, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, made it explicitly clear they reject an immediate ceasefire. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has also signaled he is not ready either, casting doubt over Biden’s proposal. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/02/middleeast/israeli-ministers-biden-ceasefire-plan-intl/index.html

Without Independent verification from International Media how is it possible to know how much of this is truth or Israeli propaganda? The original is in Hebrew I take it, and this is Google Translate?

Israel's foreign ministry on Sunday recommended that Israeli citizens not travel to the Maldives after its government banned the entry of visitors with Israeli passports. The recommendation, the Israeli ministry said, includes Israelis with dual citizenship. "For Israeli citizens already in the country, it is recommended to consider leaving, because if they find themselves in distress for any reason, it will be difficult for us to assist," the ministry said in a statement. The Maldives government said it will ban Israelis from entering the country amid escalating public anger in the nation over Israel's offensive in Gaza. The AP reported that the president's office said that the cabinet decided to change laws to prevent Israeli passport holders from entering the country and to "establish a subcommittee to oversee the process". https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-recommends-its-citizens-avoid-maldives-following-passport-ban

Joe Biden’s Terrible Israel Policy Is Really About Getting in Bed With Saudi Arabia Biden's plan to cozy up to Arab dictators is right out of Donald Trump's playbook — but even worse. Why does Joe Biden insist on pursuing a foreign policy of blind support of Israel’s war on Gaza? In addition to the moral calamity — on full display as Israel bombed Palestinian refugee camps in Gaza — it has also exacted a political cost, damaging his relationship with his base and swing state voters. Critics have attributed Biden’s disastrous handling of the war to incompetence or his lifelong Zionism. What is really at the center of the administration’s policy, however, is an insidious geopolitical play that will make the world a more dangerous place, advancing U.S. imperial interests under the guise of a diplomatic deal. Biden wants to tie the U.S. to one of the most abhorrent regimes in the world for decades to come, striking a far-reaching security deal with Saudi Arabia — an agreement that would put American lives on the line to protect the Saudi dictatorship and lock us into a new cold war. https://theintercept.com/2024/05/30/biden-israel-saudi-trump/

I only claimed he liked picking up soap, only a sexual deviant would think he liked anal sex.

Couldn't catch you up ever 💩4️⃣🧠

Fourteen people were reported injured as Israelis in huge numbers hit streets in Tel Aviv and protested PM Benjamin Netanyahu's alleged inaction over Gaza hostage crisis. Protesters, including families of captives, called on Netanyahu to accept hostage and ceasefire deal proposed by U.S. president Joe Biden for both Israel and Hamas.

I'm going against the trend here, I have a 2013 Focus 1600 Trend Auto, picked up cheap 100k 2 years ago under half what it was worth at the time due to gearbox problems, took me 15 minutes to fix with a 13mm, 10mm spanners and some Dielectric Grease, they have a electrical fault half the time. Done over 50,000kms since runs great, cheap as chips to service at the local Ford dealer, you do get silly faults but show me any car that doesn't.

He has small man syndrome, being only 5foot 7inches, loved picking up the soap while using the showers in the Nick, other than that, he wanted to be an Astronaut and if I had been his Father he would he been shot into space.

The pride of Great Britain, DEFINITLY NOT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

No idea what my problem is then, changed VPN to USA, no VPN, VPN Thailand, different browser as well, my connection is good so I'm beat, I think it's the same blurb as yesterday so no bother.

Changed to US VPN and no VPN, still dead?

Dead link?

Don't care, when we've got to go you're going, either by natural causes or some nutter pressing the big button, and there is Foxtrot Alfa anybody on here can do to stop it. Waste of time worrying about it, get on and enjoy whatever life you have.

A senior administration official said yesterday the four-and-a-half-page proposal had been endorsed by the Israeli government and had been presented to Hamas on Friday. But it was unclear how enthusiastically Netanyahu had embraced the proposal, which Hamas said it had responded to “positively” (see earlier post at 08.31). https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/01/israel-gaza-war-live-netanhayu-biden-hamas-ceasefire-plan-rafah-aid-middle-east#top-of-blog Whoever found this post funny needs to get a life. Your either part of the problem or a coward to reply.

9m ago10.32 BST Netanyahu insists on Hamas’ 'destruction' as part of plan to end war in Gaza Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has insisted on Hamas’s destruction and said Israel’s conditions for ending the war in Gaza remain unchanged. It came a day after Joe Biden said Israel was offering a new roadmap towards a full ceasefire in Gaza. The US president said Israel’s three-stage offer would begin with a six-week phase that would see Israeli forces withdraw from all populated areas of Gaza. It would also see the “release of a number of hostages, including women, the elderly, the wounded, in exchange for (the) release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners”, Biden said. In a statement issued on Saturday, Netanyahu described the commitment to a permanent ceasefire before Hamas military and government capacity is destroyed as a “non-starter”. Netanyahu said: A senior administration official said yesterday the four-and-a-half-page proposal had been endorsed by the Israeli government and had been presented to Hamas on Friday. But it was unclear how enthusiastically Netanyahu had embraced the proposal, which Hamas said it had responded to “positively” (see earlier post at 08.31). https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/01/israel-gaza-war-live-netanhayu-biden-hamas-ceasefire-plan-rafah-aid-middle-east#top-of-blog

Fine, not the end of the world for me, I thought if we together as 2 people as far apart as the main protagonists, Hamas/Israel could come to some sort of agreement there could be a chance of peace here and in the Middle East, obviously to much of a leap for you.

I agree, as long as those who surrender are tried and sentenced in a court of law and not summarily executed by Israel with no trial. If that is ever a possibility, yes. That is not for me to agree to, mainly because I will always disagree that the conduct of Israel for years has never helped the situation. You know full well I am biting my tongue on the reasons why Hamas did what they did on 7/10, I agree it is difficult for you to accept that this all started without any provocation from Israel. I agree they are holding hostages, including innocent civilians. As far as being rewarded goes, not so much, unless there is some arrangement with the Israeli's to agree to this ceasefire there is nothing rewarding. Now that is a big ask, can we leave that one on the table for now?

Not making anything up, I felt I was agreeing with you that this needs sorting as it stands now, but it looks to me as if you still want to go tit for tat on the whole situation, can we agree to something along the lines of reconciliation between both sides and stop all the bickering on here?

So Brian you're not interested in any sort of moratorium on a ceasefire where you cannot blame Hamas at every opportunity? And yes, I know who started it on the 7/10. The deal needs to be sorted for humanities sake and I was trying to be positive, so is it in your opinion I am wasting my time?