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I asked the American question because there are cultural differences.

You're just wrong and you're actively promoting bigotry.

The grooming thing again. 100 percent lying hate speech.

There you go again. Obviously someone cares because these anti LGBT activists are pushing and passing anti LGBT bills all over the country.

Are you American? Accusing teachers of indoctrination is a hateful lie along the same lines as false accusations of grooming. These bills are all about politics, pandering to right wing bases to raise money and increase turnout. Nothing about protecting or helping children.

Well we all have our personal experiences. Personally I faced significant hassles even playing a vaccine slot lottery and considerable expense to get my 3 shots in Thailand much later than I would have in the west. It seemed crazy to have to fight for them.

You don't understand. It actually feels intentional. The way you framed your comment above is a total distortion. These bills are HATE scapegoating bills and clearly their supporters are along for the ride. If the above is the knee jerk reactionary gutter level narrative that you insist on pursuing, I really have nothing more to say to you. Shame on all supporters of these LGBT yourh suicide promotion bills. They are already marginalized. These bills make it much worse, they tell them they shouldn't even exist and have no history. Bullies in schools. Bullies on forums. Bullies in governor's mansions.

Trying to defend LGBT free speech against the anti liberty right wing. Of course this law has passed https://pen.org/press-release/free-expression-and-lgbtq-advocates-hold-media-briefing-2-14-on-florida-dont-say-gay-bill/ FREE EXPRESSION AND LGBTQ+ ADVOCATES HOLD MEDIA BRIEFING 2/14 ON FLORIDA ‘DON’T SAY GAY’ BILL WASHINGTON — On Monday, February 14 at 10:00 a.m. ET, PEN America will convene a virtual media briefing of LGBTQ+ and free speech advocates to discuss the “Don’t Say Gay” bill advancing in the Florida Senate that would bar school districts from encouraging classroom discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity. PEN has been the premier national organization defending free expression for the last 100 years, and their team has been at the forefront of tracking intrusive efforts by state legislatures to suppress academic freedom, ban certain curricula, and erase the identities and stories of marginalized groups.

Sure thing.

As far as people referring to these bills with the shorthand Don't Say Gay, well I didn't make up that name but it is very widely used in msm and it does accurately reflect the speech repression intent for ALL GRADES. As I've said before I think a better name might be the Promote LGBT youth suicide bill.

The language about sexual orientation and gender id, are you really so delusional as to think that the intended targets are heterosexuality and cisgenders? Very very hard to believe. Dude, its bad enough that the right wing ignorant anti LGBT bigots are winning on issues that seemed to be settled decades ago, but sorry such people will never get away with successfully gaslighting this, acting like they are not doing what anyone can see they are indeed doing. The ignorant bigots can take away LGBT civil rights but they won't be able to brainwash LGBT people into believing they didn't. The same is true about the fake CRT in schools issue.

Mind games too tedious.

Getting real. This is a culture wars political wedge issue kind of thing. Minds won't be changed any more than you can convince a trumpist that he's the worst not the best. The fact remains that the anti LGBT civil rights "religious" right wing is going for blood now against everything LGBT. They are persistent, they have money, and they have clever demagogue tactics. Yes they are winning. So for people supporting ignorant bigotry against LGBT people I suppose you can celebrate. They are doing exactly the same thing with fake issue anti CRT laws.

Thank you?

"Again this bill and the copycats is about erasing speech about LGBT people and history in ALL GRADES with vicious intimidation tactics / threats of lawsuits / threats of firings."

This topic isn't about forum policies. The side limiting speech in schools with intimidation and lawsuits is 100 percent the right wing side.

Total BS. You refuse to process the information given SEVERAL TIMES and insist on an absurd level of anal literalism. You're not fooling anyone. You were never open to actually learning about and understanding these issues. Typical I'm sure.of the right wing anti LGBT base being pandered to with these bills. "Good day" and good riddance back at you indeed.

No. Its obviously a cute shorthand description of what the bill actually does. Not meant to be taken quite as strictly literally as you insist. "Again this bill and the copycats is about erasing speech about LGBT people and history in ALL GRADES with vicious intimidation tactics / threats of lawsuits / threats of firings." How this bill actually does that has been explained several times here already.

Brietbart Extreme right wing bias. Teachers that might cross obviously problematic lines can already be corrected by school administrators. These laws are totally unnecesary and only exist to pander to and excite right wing base voters. Remember when republicans were against unnecesary laws?

Considering the brand widely used before boosters, really not good!

Obviously you are attempting to flame this topic by calling this a grooming bill. Do you even know the definition? Child molestation is obviously ALREADY illegal in all 50 states. Also talking about sexualizing young children is simply a right wing red herring.. Unless you actually believe that a teacher being kind and inclusive to a child with two Mommies is grooming or sexualizing. Again this bill and the copycats is about erasing speech about LGBT people and history in ALL GRADES with vicious intimidation tactics / threats of lawsuits / threats of firings https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/understanding-floridas-dont-say-gay-bill/

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The aims of both movements are very, very similar. Motivated by POLITICS. Yes it IS a slippery slope. Did you digest these various anti LGBT bills are popping up nationally? Not only about trans but everything LGBT. Medical care for trans made a FELONY in Alabama. Do you realize that part of this movement is to reverse marriage equality? There used to be hope for national anti-discrimination laws for housing and employment. That is dead now. The right wing Christians killed it. The fact that American right wingers have allied themselves with Putin is entirely relevant. Some have gone into the closet about that since the invasion of Ukraine, but many have not changed their stripes. Tucker Carlson the grand Poobah of American right wing Putin lovers is featured often on Russia's propaganda. Tucker has the most popular cable tv show in the U.S. That is the opposite of fringe. I think you're very wrong to discount this connection. We see it in other countries right wing's too, such as France, Hungary, etc. No Support: Russia’s “Gay Propaganda” Law Imperils LGBT Youth | HRW

What's the current vaccination rate in Thailand including among elderly? I think it's still not great and also so many started with a "not so good" brand. Personally I think that may be the main reason Thailand is on a different schedule. Sure there are inconsistencies and mistakes. That has happened everywhere.

Really in most cases comparing to Hitler means you lost the debate, but in the case of Putin and his invasion and war crimes in Ukraine, the comparison is entirely accurate.