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What? A history lesson from you? 😮 (But one of which I approve.) Yes, the map above shows that this "war that started Oct 7, 2023" has some historical precedence—in fact, PLENTY of historical precedence. And, as I've said many, many times, just because someone else does something bad, or even does something bad to you, doesn't give you the right to do it also.

My answer is "yes" to your question above. That's not an unqualified "yes," but it's a "yes" that means you should be doing much, much more of what you describe in your question and much, much less of defending the IDF's revenge killings as you are doing now. IMO, and in the growing conclusion of most of the world, the IDF's barbarous military actions in Gaza do have a large quality of "revenge" about them. I don't consider them just "retaliatory."

Yes, that's "someone who speaks about people in the third person." 😁

What! Are you telling me to "go away"? Stop it! You're liable to make me cry! 🥹

I'm not trying to "make excuses for these terrorist monsters." I admit my posts are predominantly one-sided, but that's because ALL of yours (and others) are also. I am just trying to make sure both sides are presented. I do consider the IDF bombing and now invasion of Gaza have a lot of revenge in it. That is the correct wording, the wording I wanted to use to convey the nature of the excessive civilian casualties Gaza has suffered.

I'm not trying to cover the evil intent of Hamas. I'm trying to reveal to you the evil, revengeful actions of the IDF.

I took the term "prevent" from Bkk Brian's post, which is at the beginning of this thread of posts: "Despite the unique challenges Israel faces in its war against Hamas, it has implemented more measures to prevent civilian casualties than any other military in history."

My answer: No. Israel should negotiate with the terrorists to save the lives of both the hostages, the "human shields," and even combatants on both sides. See how you should answer questions? With a "yes" or "no" (or I don't know), followed, if necessary, by an explanation.

So you think 18,000 civilians killed is "very low"? Wow! 😞

If the IDF were not indiscriminately bombing, killing everyone they thought might be a terrorist, and, oh yes, killing "human shields, the overall total would be much, much lower.

Untill you know the breakdown of the spurious Hamas figures they are as much use as one of your analogies. 😂😂😂 So, would you argue with a figure of 20,000 or even 10,000? Even if the number of civilians killed were as low as that, IDF's action would still be deplorable.

Well, IDF's methods of preventing civilian casualties aren't working very well, and all the world knows it. Gaza death toll surpasses 30,000 but it's an incomplete count : NPR

Your excuse above should read, "Can't be answered by me without weakening my position."

I was hoping for a "yes" or "no," but, as usual, your answer is just avoiding the question. Is it okay to kill "human shields" to get to someone or some group you want to kill?

Human Shields To all pro-Israeli posters: Let me try to quash this argument once and for all. I'll give you a similar situation and then ask you a question. I'd like you all to answer it. Situation: The police are chasing a man who has just committed multiple homicides. He breaks into a house, gathers up a family (man, woman, and two kids), and barricades himself in a room with them. The police enter the house and break down the door to the room. The murderer is armed and is in a corner of the room holding the family, who are now bound, in front of him. Question: Is it okay for the police to shoot the family, the "human shields," to be able to kill the murderer?

I agree, and I hope you will also agree it was the IDF that KILLED the "human shields," not Hamas.

This is more faulty reasoning. If that were true, they could not be called "human shields." They would just be the actual "terrorists."

First of all, I never claimed Hamas was provoked by the festival (although I suspect they were). I never claimed the festival was the reason for the attack. I never blamed Israel for allowing the festival to take place next to the Gaza border. What I did do, explaining that for the THIRD TIME, was to show you that your argument blaming Hamas for the deaths of their "human shields" was faulty, and I used the festival as an example of that faulty reasoning. And, yes, I know Hamas had been planning this attack for a long time, and there is evidence that Israel ALSO knew about it. I think the festival was just an easy target when the attack did come.

The kids in schools and the doctors, workers, and patients in hospitals were not put there by Hamas to act as human shields.

What are you on? My remark was in reference to your post blaming the killing of "human shields" on Hamas. The IDF is the group that is killing them. Hamas did put them there, but so did the Israelis allow the concert near the border with Gaza. I'm not blaming Israel for that, but if you use the same argument as you do about "human shields," you could.

Yes, the "basics" are that Isreal has been seizing Palestinian land since 1949...

I understand that, of course. I bring it up all the time. You were the one complaining about a "history lesson."

They have never accepted a Palestinian state. At least they have been seizing parts of it continually over the past 70 years.

No need to contact any of the news media. They all know this. It's just some on this topic that think all this began on Oct 7, 2023.

I', sad to say that everything you've said above seems to be true, but if you trade around the terms "Palestine" and "Israel," I'm also sad to say that seems to be true, too.