sometimewoodworker

I doubt that the quality was any different 12 years ago, and they are excellent at noise reduction if the construction is correct. My house has about a 24db noise reduction.

You are the one banging on about how difficult it would be for immigration officers to count days in country. You also are either deliberately misunderstanding or can’t understand that they don’t need to. i have explained that the immigration department would have nothing to do with that (days in country and tax payable) as it’s the revenue department’s job Should it ever come to pass it would be the immigration department’s job, specifically the IO giving exit clearance to, as they used to years ago, check that the person exiting has a valid exit clearance tax certificate. As to how they stop someone with incorrect or missing documents? Exactly the same way as they do it today, politely, calmly, quietly (if possible) requesting the traveler accompany them to the supervisory desk and going from there, to what ever is deemed appropriate, it could include returning to the nearest tax office to get a clearance document, I don’t know as I never required one since at that time I was always visiting as a tourist and tourists didn’t need clearance. They did it before, something like 20+ years ago.

Oh how wonderful to be so lacking in knowledge! The Thai banks know exactly who is a resident and who isn’t and they are already deducting a flat rate (20%) tax from the vast majority of foreigners, the only way to get interest from the bank without paying tax is to go in and give them your Thai tax ID number.

I think it’s highly unlikely that HMRC would do anything for you as there is no easy way to do it. as I said the P60 is far from just circumstantial, if the time comes you will have to do the calculation from the P60 and tax return. It isn’t difficult just a bit laborious, and may never be necessary. FWIW I have been submitting U.K. tax returns for over 30 years and Japanese that returns for probably 15 years. Difficult? No. Bothersome? A bit

I recall seeing something about that, but like other laws/rules it could be revived if there was enough motivation for it. It probably won’t but you never know in Thailand.

You keep on harping on about immigration officers counting days when they would have nothing to do with that!!! And it’s you bringing up the notion that immigration officers would bother when it’s not their job. It is the tax office who are concerned about tax residency. It is the TAX office who issue tax clearance certificates. It’s the tax office who count days Just because “many full-year expats often take trips to neighboring countries during their stay.” means little if the requirement ever cam into law

You are clearly misunderstanding the point. If it is enforced (that is a very big if, and as others speculate unlikely to happen) then anyone with a long stay (1 year) permission to stay or long stay visa would be required to have a tax clearance. So nothing for immigration to do but check the certificate. So would be relatively easy, anyone with a longer stay would be required to have tax clearance. No tax liability and the certificate shows that, liable for tax and paid the certificate shows that. No certificate no exit. Unpaid tax? No exit. The laws on that are already on the books but almost never used. So is it possible? Absolutely. Is it easy for immigration? Yes reasonably as it’s the taxation department that is responsible for the certificate. Will it happen? Very probable no.

If required it would be through your tax return, It already law so it can be enforced, as far as I know it is already enforced in some cases. Exactly, for those leaving. However if you don’t leave. They can enforce the requirement to make a tax return which is already law. No, not at all they are unlikely include anyone with a tourist visa or exemption. Easy enough to restrict it to longer stay extensions and high net worth (or all) Thai citizens Yes it’s the text to speech and auto correct, the requirement is already in, or would be added to the tax return( as it wasn’t relevant to me I forget if it was there, I don’t remember te exact details). For an example that is easy to read look the U.K. HMRC form that already has that and has had it for as long as I remember.

You are assuming a far more complicated system of checks than would likely happen. You report the number of days in county, the dates of each trip and the places. They will assume that these are correct unless someone has reported or they suspect you have misreported then they require proof and may well investigate. Get caught out misreporting and get investigated more thoroughly. Result you get a tax bill that will blow your socks off where if you don’t fight it and document it becomes your tax liability (this is how HMRC works). There is already a law in place that requires a tax clearance document from the Treasury to allow you to exit Thailand, that it almost never enforced doesn’t mean it will never be enforced. However if the law will ever get passed is another matter and if passed it is likely that they are going to concentrate on high net worth individuals as those are the ones who will have tax requirements in the hundreds of thousands. This in contrast to the U.K. where HMRC goes for the the little people as they don’t fight back.

It is likely that they would require something like a P60, if given, or the relevant pages of your HMRC tax return, it is unlikely that pay slips would be accepted, also that a pension letter would be enough, however TIT and so different officer, different of office, different answers. also it is simple enough to assume taxable income is constant during a tax year and just use the faction cover erred by the Thai tax year for proof and project into the current untaxed, as yet, income. There is a double taxation agreement between Thailand and the U.K. however as I understand not everything is actually covered so you would need advice from an accountant who is familiar with the agreement and thx laws. As to your wife and son knowing the tax system, my opinion is that unless they actually work for the tax department or are tax accountants they probably don’t now anything more than that which effects them. My experience is that only a small minority of general taxpayers know and understand the system well and a smaller subset can cross check HMRC and an even smaller number know the majority of the system that isn’t directly relevant to them.

So much wrong information. As to proof of being here they can require that you give that and like HMRC if you lie the penalty is severe. As to source of information on income, you prove that it comes from sources that are not taxable, if you lie the penalty is severe. as to the income proof, only English or Thai is accepted. As to too complicated, you almost certainly haven’t completed a Thai tax form (I have) it’s not difficult but you must have a Thai speaker to assist. The form is not quite as long as the U.K. one that my tax advisor sends in for me.

That is a rather ridiculous, not to mention totally false, statement. ‘where I get ZERO benefits.’ You get benefits just by living here. You don’t get all the same benefits as a Thai of course but how is that any different from the vast majority of countries! There are vanishing few countries that give the same benefits to none residents

It’s extremely likely that the expenses involved in your plan will be orders of magnitude higher than any tax you are required to pay. ;)

It seems that you have a rogue immigration office (there maybe a few) as there is nothing in the regulations that requires it. However the sensibility of having health insurance in some form is without question.

It is totally reasonable for there to be a requirement for an extension of stay requiring a that based insurance. It only too easy to get or make fake insurance documents that are difficult to prove as fake from a “foreign insurance company”, with the requirement for a Thai insurance company checking is reasonably easy. A way to avoid this could be to implement a 30 wait with a rise in fees for documentation checking. That however would be resisted vigorously by the very ones complaining of the current requirements. That the insurance is “rubbish” is rather subjective. Pay little, get little. That the insurance is “expensive” again is subjective. The risk to the insurance company from geriatric clients is significant, the insurance is real, the risk of having to payout is real.

You do not now have visa. You have not had a visa for 4 years. Unfortunately you are demonstrating exactly why people stating they have a visa when they have an extension of stay get wrong information. It is not your fault that it seems that you don’t understand the difference, many people are equally misinformed. That is only partially true. 1) you don’t have an OA visa so it can’t be cancelled 2) you have an extension of stay based on an OA 3)you can enter as a tourist once your extension is cancelled 4) you almost certainly can go to one of the embassy’s or consulate’s in the correct nearby country and get a Non-O visa but note that if you choose that route you have to research which ones will issue them. Some do some don’t for example Singapore doesn’t

That is incorrect, if the system leaks it may need both refilling and the leak found and fixed. However I know of systems (I had one) that never needed the refrigerant refilling after 20 years of use

The Non-O has no insurance requirement for the extension of stay issued after entry. to transfer you must exit Thailand then get the visa either from outside Thailand or after having entered visa exempt get one from immigration.

If you are referring to changing the reason for continuing your stay (I assume you are) then you don’t have a visa now, you have an extension of stay, the difference is important as visa rules are not the same as rules for extension of stay, Immigration rules in Thailand are confusing for many and using an incorrect term will result in incorrect information given.

Visas are in general issued by embassies. Many embassies have different requirements Extensions of state are issued in Thailand. Requirements for extension of stay for the purpose of retirement may require insurance or may not require insurance depending on the Visa you had when you entered Thailand. if you had an OA Visa, when you entered, Thailand, you will require health insurance when you extend the period of stay. Your Visa cannot be extended.

The claim of a UTH -> HAN scheduled direct flight is wrong for December

So you got yours transferred (probably) I didn’t get anything but a stamp, others I have seen were the same as me. TIT your experience is not necessarily the same as someone else. Assuming that everyone has the same treatment in Thailand is an exercise in futility

Seems I was wrong in assuming it would expire immediately. You are not wrong. Death of your wife does expire the extension. However in all cases I know of when an IO was asked they said ignore the law and treat the extension as if it were still valid. Some even said that they did not hear the question, the meaning of the “deafness” was clear. I have never heard of a case where anything was said to the surviving spouse when they came to renew.

No stamps were transferred, I assumed that by “going to immigration” on exit you were referring to an immigration supervisor desk rather than a standard IO cubicle, off course I cleared immigration before entering airside. your claim that stamps WILL. be transferred is usually wrong.

Incorrect. I, as have many, exited on a new passport carrying the cancelled passport. No visit to immigration before leaving or at the airport. No transfer of information into the new passport, just an exit stamp. Of course the old passport was checked for the current entry stamp. As I posted. I never suggested that you didn’t need the cancelled passport. The only case where the old passport is not required is if you have bothered to get the current status transferred into the new passport