JonnyF

I take it you are not on Twitter? One of thousands.... Many worse than that.

It's fine if they're Thai. Forgive them. They didn't mean anything by it. It's only "really" racist when white people do it. Then they need to be vilified. Cancelled. Strung up if possible.

I'm guessing they've finally reached an agreement on how to divide the proceeds of the fraud.

She worded the question poorly by the sounds of it. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows what she meant. Vilifying an 83 year old woman for not being fluent in Woke is really low behaviour, but perfectly in keeping with the proponents of cancel culture and the perpetually offended. Still, it could earn Ms. Fulani a spot on Harry's wife's next podcast series, assuming Spotify are stupid enough to keep it going.

Yes, do that. No need to make a diary note to see how Scottish Independence worked out, since it's a fantasy, as this thread proves.

The difference is, I accepted there would be some short term pain to Brexit, in the region of 5-10 years. I was happy to do that to regain sovereignty and expand our horizons outside of the failing federalist project. On the other hand, our Scottish nationalists think they can walk away from the UK with no debt and be accepted into the EU with a fantastic deal a couple of days later. All the other countries who currently have trade deals with the UK will also sign trade deals within the week, despite them claiming it would take Britain half a decade. The UK will just laugh away this default on 180 billion pounds of debt and continue to trade with them just as before. No hard feelings and all that. No downsides when the Scots do it, just a noble, heroic escape from the auld enemy, the evil English ???? Furthermore, eco warrior and purporter of net zero, Nicola Sturgeon is going to transform into an oil baron and drill up half of the north sea. The Scots will be driving around in gold plated Rolls Royces. Dubai on Clyde. Delusional.

Of course we wouldn't stop trading 100%. But there would be trade barriers, not only with the UK but with all the countries who currently have trade deals with the UK. Hardly an environment in which to reduce debt.

It would if it left the UK. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/independent-scotland-could-face-181-26276527 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-independence-going-it-alone-will-come-with-180bn-debt-p9j2c03zt#:~:text=Russia-Ukraine war-,Scottish independence%3A Going it alone 'will,come with £180bn debt'&text=An independent Scotland could start,adviser to the Scottish government.

Dear oh dear ???? Have you still not realized it's deliberate - to highlight the double standard of Scottish nationalists demanding exactly what they opposed so vehemently during Brexit? SMH. ????

Ah "Scotland's" oil and gas. Scotland, lefty green Scotland, net zero Scotland, headed up by eco warrior Sturgeon, making all it's money from North Sea oil. ???? Almost as funny as proud, nationalist, independent Scotland begging to join the EU's federalist project. It would be even funnier if you actually owned the oil, of course. https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19716393.actually-happened-scotlands-trillions-north-sea-oil-boom/

What makes you think they could manage the debt effectively having just walked away from their biggest trading partner and all of the trade deals it had as part of the UK? Their economy would be in tatters. Unicorn stuff. Anyway, why would they want to join the EU if they want to be Independent? Pretty much the definition of an Oxymoron.

You might want to check out the EU rules on debt. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/independent-scotland-could-face-181-26276527

Please link me to the relevant law or constitutional clause that states there must be another referendum.

Actually, there is no reason there would be another one. May I refer you to the title of this thread?

I don't recall saying it was a law. I said it was an agreement by all parties. We took them for their word. Fool me once and all that... If you are looking for court rulings, may I suggest you re-read the title of this thread?

Exactly. So you expect Westminster to keep giving you re-runs until you get the result you want. Not really realistic, is it? Hence the title of this thread. Maybe it's time to accept reality and stop hoping for something that will never happen? Maybe take a leaf from the book of George Costanza?

Careful, your anti-English bias is showing again. Even the likes of Alex Salmond agreed it was once in a lifetime/generation. Now you lost, you're spitting the dummy and demanding another one ????. If you couldn't be trusted to accept the first result after saying you would, why should we expect you to accept the result of a re-run. You'd just demand a third. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/scottish-independence-referendum-yes-no-agree-once-in-lifetime-vote

So why do you keep referring to leaving England, instead of leaving the UK? Slip of the tongue? ????

I agree. Should be minimum 70/30 required on such a huge issue. The majority of recent polling shows the majority wish to stay anyway (in the graphic below red meaning stay, green meaning leave). So given they cannot have a referendum, and if they did they'd more than likely lose, I'd say it remains a fantasy for the anti English nationalists north of the border. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

What makes you think "Europe" (I assume you mean the EU) would have you? Of course, they'll make all the right noises until you've actually left the UK (yes, the UK, not England). They'll do anything to destabilize the UK following Brexit, they're still very bitter about that. But once you'd left you'd be at their mercy. There's no charity in the EU, they'd want their pound of flesh and they'd hold all the cards. You'd be in an incredibly weak position and they'd have their foot on your throat and you'd better believe they'd make the most of your vulnerability. Expect 10 years of arduous negotiations followed by a terrible deal. Still, it would make Sturgeon happy in her desperate need for power over 'her people', so it's not all negative. ????

We already did.

The topic is about gaslighting. I gave an example of gaslighting. It's really not that mysterious.????

On that we can agree. The SNP could do a lot of things better, hiding their anti English sentiment would be a good start. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-branch-forced-apologise-nasty-26164493

Not at all. Just getting sick of all the whining and bad sentiment from Sturgeon and her band of nationalist extremists.

The UK would still exist. England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Did the EU cease to exist after the UK left? No, unfortunately not.... Of course Scotland is considered now. If you left, not so much... Sinking ship? Oh really? The pound is exactly where it was against the Euro 5 years ago. And indeed 10 years ago. Scotland is far more dependent on trade with the rest of the UK than the UK is dependent on trade with Scotland. We have done over 70 trade deals since Brexit. You will lose those when you leave, including the one with your intended saviour, the EU. But hey, you know what you'd be voting for (if it ever happened, which it won't).