JonnyF

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I doubt if the Brexit I want (full umbilical severance) is the one that he'll deliver but his will be the nearest we're likely to get.

I've still got hopes that his deal (which I don't like) is only there so that he doesn't have to campaign to win the Election on a policy of No Deal, which would be difficult to win as it would provide too much Project Fear ammo (cliff edge, car crash, blah blah) to Remainers.

I'm thinking/hoping for a Tory majority of 20-30, followed by a vote on his deal weeks before the deadline which the ERG "surprisingly" rejects and then we're forced into No Deal at the end of January with Boris holding his hands up and saying "Nothing I could do Guv" with a cheeky grin on his face. Maybe that's just wishful thinking though.

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Dianne would appear to have been put into quarantine for the duration of this election, what a state of affairs when the Labour Party are too embarassed to parade a future home secretary in front of the cameras, a total disgrace.

Can you imagine her defending Labour's taxation policy though.

"We'll only tax the rich earning over 80,000 pounds per year. That's 20,000 pounds per month. 3000 pounds per day." 

Her son spitting at the policeman has taken that from me. So unfair. It would have been Gold. ????

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Fair point about the decision to implement QE, but the bust was global, not the result solely of Brown's fecklesness.

 

The really cruel blows came later - the relentless pursuit of Tory and Lib Dem MPs to punish the poor for not being rich.

Those cruel blows were the Tories fixing the mess that Labour left the economy in. Again.

However, if you thought it was bad under Brown, that's nothing compared to the destruction Corbyn would leave behind. If Corbyn actually hands out all the "free stuff" he's promised to try to buy the votes required to worm his way into Number 10, we'll be fixing it for decades. His free broadband promise reminds me of Thaksin/Yingluck's free iPad promise. Little more than buying the votes of the poor and uneducated with other people's money. 

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

hmm, ???

 

not sure I understand that sentence, doesn't look sound to me

 

whether or not costs calculated according to some tariff should be levvied on goods imported from EU is a

UK decision

if the levvied costs are so high that people don't buy - that is due to UK choices

 

That's correct, it will be the UK's decision if/when to apply import taxes to EU goods.

If the EU refuse to do a trade deal then the UK will obviously apply import duties to some EU goods. Otherwise there would be no incentive for the EU to sign a trade deal. The UK isn't going to allow the EU to tax our goods and then let all their goods come over tax free.

The UK wants a good trade deal. If the EU refuses then taxes will be applied both ways. The difference is that they have a 94 Billion pounds trade surplus on goods with the UK.

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

So you agree your initial statement was incorrect and you are now telling us that every Labour MP would be a communist.

You'll have to excuse me, I prefer to debate with people who are capable of using logic. I really don't understand what you're talking about most of the time, it's like you're replying to the wrong post or something ????.

Have a pleasant evening.

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

So are you really trying to say that parliament would be dangerous under Corbyn?

Well obviously if Labour had a massive majority with Corbyn as leader, then Yes that would be very damaging for the UK given Corbyn's communist leanings. 

Fortunately the electorate knows exactly what a threat Corbyn is to the country so Labour will be massacred at the election on Thursday and won't have the numbers to do very much at all. He'll probably be gone by New Year.

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

No, it is not. With the EU "values" and "standards" take precedence, something the UK will learn to it's cost.

Well the EU can include their "values" and "standards" in the trade deal if they like. Having values and standards does not mean you cannot trade or have a trade deal with other countries. For example, the EU trades with the USA and China without a trade deal and without regulatory alignment.

The only thing stopping the EU doing a quick trade deal with the UK is that they want to deter other countries from leaving. Let's see how long that lasts when the UK stops buying their products because the tariffs are too high. Germany is on the brink of recession. 

9 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You were quite specific.

"but Labour are downright dangerous under Corbyn."

Yes they are.

And how does that statement demonstrate that I think that Parliament has no say over what the government does?

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

and I want to win the lottery, unfortunately the chances are very slim as I don't play... now explain why the EU should agree to a FREE trade deal, the UK was in the EU and had a free trade deal, if they leave why should they expect to have the same deal as they had before... dream on

That's a pretty good reason, not to mention certain EU countries teetering on recession.

26 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Yes Corbyn must regret allowing this election to happen.

37 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You obviously believe that parliament has no say in what the government does.

How did you deduce that from my post?

I'm well aware of how Parliament (and the speaker) can tie the government's hands, you only need to look at the disgraceful 2019 Parliament and Bercow's final months.

However, with Bercow gone (thank god) and a heavy Tory majority it would be very difficult for the loser parties to hold the country hostage by voting against everything. 

3 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Unfortunately by fielding a totally unelectable leader in Jeremy Corbyn Labour has probably elected  the lying bufoon, Johnson, and doomed the UK to a self destructive hard Brexit at the end of 2020, while preparing the way for the fragmentation of the union. I no longer blame the SNP for wanting to secede and the Northern Irish protestants will eventually have to face union with the Catholic South due to Johnson's deal which sold them down the river. 

 

Probably the first group to be disappointed in Johnson's second term will be the Tory extreme right wing nutters in the ERG, Jacob Rees Mogg et al.  He has only coopted them to for the referendum, the leadership contest and this election. Once he has a decent majority with their help and has got Brexit done, he will free to sell them down the river too, as he has done with everyone in his life so far - the ultimate narcissist. He knows that ERG policies and attitudes will not keep him in power beyond Brexit.

Depends on the size of the majority that Johnson gets. If it's a small majority then he'll need the ERG's support to get the numbers in the HOC. He'd need to be careful about selling them down the river.

9 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The baht may well weaken a few percent but as far as the round is concerned it is not going to overcome the 15 or so percent that resulted overnight from the referendum result. Only the delusional would think that actually leaving the EU would reverse that deterioration in our lifetime.

The only hope for the pound is a weakening of the USD.

I don't see why it couldn't rebound. Let's say in 5 years time we've left and signed trade deals with the US and the EU (plus a few others like Australia, Japan etc.) and the economy is ticking along nicely, why couldn't the pound return to over 50?

It sounds like he's been hanging around his Anti-Brexit BBC colleagues too long and doesn't realize what's going on in the real world.

Poor lad, obviously got a bit of a shock when he stepped outside of the echo chamber. Hopefully the bread roll was large and stale. 

1 hour ago, saengd said:

No, the markets are betting the Tories will win the election so GBP is strengthening against USD, as a result GBP/THB is getting stronger. 

The Baht has also weakened against the dollar in that timeframe, but by a much smaller amount so you're right that it's predominantly due to the pound strengthening rather than THB weakening.

Interesting. The start of a slide?

Bangkok Bank normally gives me a conversion rate for the day at 9am (for transferring Thai Baht to a UK account). Today, they still haven't announced the rate. I haven't seen that since the days after the Brexit result.

39.80 now. Sliding every day from 39.02 on Sunday. Not dramatic, but nearly 1% in 4 days. I'm expecting quite a shift if the Tories get a majority next week.