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Where does the April 17,000 bookings for EVs number come from? I didn't see that number in the weblink you gave. Maybe you are talking EV bookings from the Mar-Apr 2024 Motor Show?

Today I dropped by a BYD Dealership to charge-up with some free electrons. While my Atto was sucking in those free electrons I went into the dealership showroom to part-take of free snacks, look at the varies models, etc., The showroom had 1 Sealion, 1 Seal, 1 Atto, 2 Dolphins, and 2 M6 on display. The Sealion and Seal were side-by-side and the Sealion looked like a significantly larger car than the Seal. Now that was more of a visual illusion since the Seal is not really that much smaller per specs. For about 30 minutes I watched customers and it was obvious the Sealion was getting the most attention by the customers. And two sets of customers were at sales tables with sales people doing serious talk/paperwork in buying a Sealion. Yeap, for right now the Sealion is the new girl in the club and getting a lot of attention....I'm sure the Sealion is going to have good sales/registrations over the coming months.

The Sealion 7 has only be on sale for a very short time in Thailand....not enough time to complete the "registration" process.

November 2024 EV "registrations." BYD Dolphin is the runaway leader. See the car250.com weblink for more details such as breakout by brand and models. https://www.car250.com/byd-dolphine-bev-11.html

Update: Booking numbers after 10 of 13 days of the ongoing Motor Expo 2024....3 days of bookings number yet to go. For last year's Expo Honda edged out BYD for 2nd place, but for this year it looks like BYD just might edge-out Honda for 2nd place unless Honda bookings surge over the next few days...and that could easily occur since the booking numbers for various brands have varied quite a bit from day to day. See the car250 weblink for more/full details. https://www.car250.com/motor-expo-2024-10.html

Good luck on finding "any maintenance/shop" manual on EVs. All I've ever seen is the owners manual.

I found an identical one in Lazada based on the images you posted above. From review of the specs it should work find and you can adjust the max amperage down from 32A to lower amperages such as 16A, 13A, 10A, or 8A if needed because you only have a 16A (or less) household socket outlet. You would need to ensure it comes with that 32A to 16A household socket adapter shown in the picture you to use it in a household socket. And if you had adequate electric service/wiring you can also use it at 32A/7KW. To determine max power output/draw just use the formula of P (power) = I (current) times E (voltage)....easily remembered as the "PIE" (i.e., like you eat) formula.. Examples: 32A times 220V = 7,040 watts (7KW).....13A times 220V = 2,860W ((2.9KW), etc...etc....etc.

I would go by whatever it says on the deposit paperwork....the document signed. See below regarding the deposit experience at the ongoing Motor Expo 2024 where a guy put a deposit down on a different brand....the Mini Cooper brand....then changed his mind. Now BYD's policy may be much more forgiving...I don't know.

Provide the Lazada weblink so we can go to that Lazada item and review it's specs/details.

What kind of dealership/service center structure does Geely have in Thailand? What happens if you buy a Geely but there is no dealership/service center support in your area? Ship it to Bangkok for service maybe? Based on the below Bangkok Post 4 Dec 2024 it seems Geely is just now dipping its toes into Thailand. https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/pr/2914017/thonburi-and-geely-launch-first-right-hand-drive-ex5#:~:text=This collaboration%2C managed by Thonburi,to enhance their driving experience.”&text=The GEELY EX5%2C the first,needs of discerning Thai consumers. Edit: And below is the Thonburi Neustern Co., website as this company is mentioned in the Bangkok Post article as the Thailand distributor of Geely EVs in Thailand. The website really don't provide much info....didn't see anything about dealership/service locations....but maybe I just didn't see it. https://geely.thonburi.com/en

My gosh, now the ability of an EV to accelerate faster than an ICEV is a danger!? If so, then wouldn't the ability of a typical V8 or V6 ICEV to accelerate faster than a typical 4 cylinder ICEV also be danger to children? Of course any driver who accelerates too fast in whatever machine they are driving....an EV, ICEV, or HEV....could (maybe) be danger depending on the road & traffic situation they are in. If you haven't driven an EV before you really need to go do a test drive. Yes, the acceleration/torque of the EV will impress you when you "really push down" on the fuel pedal....you will automatically realize it has a greater acceleration capability than your ICEV. But it's not like the acceleration is so great the tires are now burning rubber and you are being pressed back into you seat like in a jet fighter taking off. Oh no, that stuff is for the movies and maybe some anti-EV social media videos. Instead, it's just a difference you can easily notice in comparison to the ICEV you've been driving. It was easy for me to notice the difference in my first drive of my BYD Atto in comparison my Toyota Fortuner 3.0 Diesel when really pressing down on the fuel pedal. And the stopping ability of an EV is better than an ICEV due to the EV regen braking ability combined with the physical brakes....that's a safety plus.

Vehicle bookings after 7 of 13 days for Motor Expo 2024 in first chart below. Unless bookings really pick-up over the remaining 6 days of the Expo then bookings for this year are going to fall far short of last year's Motor Expo 2023 (2nd chart below). Vehicles sales, ICEV, EV, and HEV continue to be sluggish for 2024....high household debt and tougher financing requirements are having a big impact on total vehicle sales. https://autolifethailand.tv/motor-expo-2024-booking-half/ Motor Expo 2024 Bookings after 7 of 13 days Motor Expo 2023 Final Bookings after 13 of 13 days

First, since installation of a 7KW wall charger is presenting challenges (and healthy cost) you need to decide if you can effectively live with an EV "without a 7KW/32A wall charger" and just a portable approx 2KW/10A wall charger for most of your day-to-day charging needs. Now the answer is "of course you can" as long as you live somewhere has a typical 3-wire 16A household electrical outlet you can easily and securely access. By securely access I mean leave the portable charger plugged in like overnight while charging without fear of the charger being stolen. And of course you will need to ensure the circuit that 16A outlet is on is not already powering a bunch of other households items which might cause the circuit breaker for that 16A outlet to trip due to overload when you plug in the 10A portable charger....like the circuit is already drawing say 8A as it powers an A/C, a TV, a microwave, fan, lights, etc., which means 8A plus another 10A charger would be 18A and would cause the circuit breaker to trip after a while if it's a 16A breaker....but if it's a 20A or more breaker you are good to go. Typical household sockets are usually on a 16A or 20A circuit breaker. But I expect whatever 16A socket you will hopefully have in your carport area will be able to easily handle a portable charger....even one that is a little larger than 2KW/10A. You might even be able to get away with a 3.6KW/16A charger although I would make sure the outlet is at least a 20A outlet and circuit breaker. OK, let's say you decide a portable charger will be just fine for you....lots of EV owners get by just fine with a portable charger. Now with that worry, bee buzzing around you head out of the way, you just need to decide on what EV you like the best and can afford. That's a personal decision as personal tastes and also finances vary greatly from individual to individual. Since you seem to be focused on the Atto and M6 right now and since they are very similarly spec'ed and priced EVs it really comes down to which one you like best...feels/rides the best to you. And when it comes to those 2 extra seats in the M6 "for me, what I need" they would be a waste...just in the way...stay folded down all the time for cargo space----just like the 2 extra seats in my 2009 Toyota Fortuner...actually those 2 extra Fortuner seats are more in the way than useful and I've only used those 2 seats "one" time to seat people when I first got the car right after buying it in late 2008....those seats haven't been used to seat people since. Cheers.

One of his most laughable interesting points is around the 1:49 to 2:40 video timeframe when talks how many "...hundreds, if not thousands, of traction battery parts that move...not mechanically but microscopically...." Now he was talking the chemical process of lithium ions and electrons flowing thru the battery because that's a how a lithium battery works in your phone, laptop, EV, etc. Now what he was doing was trying to make an EV traction battery sound dangerous, scary, etc. I wonder if he had been an anti-ICEVer if he would have described the ICEV engine combustion process as a bio-logical warfare machine since the combustion process emits carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, sulfur, nitrogen dioxide, nitric oxide, and a variety of other harmful chemical compounds. And if it can create on those dangerous compounds what if something goes really wrong during the combustion and a mini-black hole is created that destroys the Earth. I'm might have nightmares tonight about driving my Toyota Fortuner diesel. And I may even dream about shrinking to the microscopic level and getting caught in a battery with all those scary moving ions and electrons. My god....these EV and ICEV machines we drive are dangerous!!!!! 😜

Pricey....and a good portion of that price is since they are only offering higher end wall chargers which includes fancy settings/display/wifi/app. Even the ZENCAR Wpro 7.4Kw apparently has Wifi and an app. And for each installation meter above 15m is probably being charged at Bt400-Bt500 per meter which includes the wire, conduit, and misc installation parts. And just as FYI "if" a 2nd meter/wiring had been required (but it not in your case) that would have added approx another Bt10K-15K to the cost due to larger wiring requirement, more installation costs, and some payment to the electric company for the 2nd meter & inspection. When I bought my Atto in Oct 2023 with free wall charger installation if I remember right that was "BYD valued" at around Bt25K (i.e, charger with installation) but in came with a simple ZHida 7.4KW wall charger that has no display/fancy settings/nor uses Wifi or an app....it simply used a RFID card to turn it off on and the charger and installation came with a 2 year warranty. I didn't have any additional installation costs as I have a 100A service and they only needed 11 meters of wire. The simple Zhida charger has worked just fine after having it for around 13 months now. On Lazada at the time the very same Zhida charger was going for around Bt11K. Now, when looking at the BYD Rever Automotive website at the bottom is all I can find about free wall charger with installation when the vehicle you buy comes with the free wall charger. And I'm sure what BYD pays a contractor for a wall charger installation is a lot less than the retail price you are being quoted. Anyway, free 7.4KW wall charger with installation is a nice value-added component when buying an EV....it's worth at least Bt25K and probably more like around/over Bt36K if a person has to pay retail price and can't get the low price that a large company like BYD can get. Plus, less headaches in arranging the installation. I'm surprised free wall charger with installation is not being offered now when buying an Atto....maybe that's how BYD is partially offsetting the Atto's current promotional price which is Bt50K lower than before the promotion began.

Oh my gosh, just after the first few minutes where this guy says EVs are a lot more expensive, EVs are for wealthier people, inconvenient for most to drive, making the EV construction sound like it's as complicated as building a spaceship, etc., it told me this guy is just another anti-EVer surely getting some backdoor money from legacy US car manufacturers and the fossil fuel industry. I then continued to scan thru the video where he continued his anti-EV propaganda...excuse me, I mean his perspective. But his perspective is full of intentional misinformation. Now I will admit "in the U.S." EVs are pricey predominately due to customers being a captive audience to legacy car manufacturers (i.e., the GMs, the Fords, etc) who can't make EVs as cheap or offer a wide variety of EV models as Chinese manufacturers do. And it seems they can't make as good of an EV (excluding Tesla) because they have dragged their feet in developing their own EV technology. But as low cost and quality EVs continue to be sold in huge numbers outside the U.S., many in U.S. population will eventually wonder why can't they buy one of those low cost and quality EVs which is replacing legacy ICEV just like the ICEV replaced horses & buggies. Transition to a new technology can be painful to many.....just like how online stores (i.e, Lazada, Shoppee, Amazon, etc) have put a lot of Mom & Pop brick-and-mortar stores out of business because Mom & Pop didn't (or couldn't) adapt new sales technology. But with each Mom & Pop store that went out of business an equal or more number of online stores came into existence to create jobs, tax revenue, etc. Yeap, transition from old to new can indeed be painful to include lots of resistance and propaganda during the transition.

Did you get the quote? If so, how much, which charger, etc? Thanks.

Below late breaking car250.com 5 Dec article can give some insight on best selling "registrations" for Nov 2024....to include registrations by models vs just by brand. A registration is a completely done deal sale with vehicle blue book issued...the person is now driving the vehicle with red tags.

Vehicle "registrations" for Nov 2024. Registration means a totally completed sale with vehicle ownership book (e.g., blue book) issued.....a done deal...driving around proudly showing-off your new red tag vehicle. See webpage below for details to included data for brand models "registered" like how many Toyota Fortuners, BYD Dolphins Honda Cities, etc., ..a lot more detail at the webpage below https://www.car250.com/th-2024-11-2.html

As many of you know Motor Expo 2024 is underway 28 Nov -10 Dec 2024...a 13 day event. Motor Expo 2023 occurred last year 29 Nov - 11 Dec 2024...also for 13 days. Below are a couple of "bookings" charts where you can compare how this year's 2024 Expo booking numbers after 4 days (i.e, thru 1 Dec) compare to last year's 2023 booking numbers day-by-day. After 4 of 13 days the 2024 Expo booking numbers stand are 11,280....and for the 2023 Expo after 4 days the bookings stood at 8,444. So, bookings after day 4 for each year the 2024 bookings are way ahead of 2023 bookings. HOWEVER, when going to this Motor Expo 2024 webpage to get the latest booking numbers which currently shows thru 3 Dec (i.e., 6 days of bookings) as of date/time of this post the 2024 booking numbers after 6 days stand at 16,272 compared to Motor Expo 2023 booking after 6 days of 16,797. So, bookings after 6 day for each year the 2024 bookings are now a little behind 2023 bookings. As you see the 2024 and 2023 charts booking numbers can vary a lot from day-to-day at these Expo events. It will be interesting to see if this year BYD over takes Honda in bookings when the Motor Expo 2024 ends and final booking numbers post. For last Motor Expo 2023 BYD held on to 2nd place for most of the event days but got barely nosed out at the event finish line by Honda. Honda ended up in 2nd place with BYD in 3rd by a mere 30 bookings. Toyota finished 1st. When looking at 2024 booking numbers after 6 days BYD is once again barely ahead of Honda....Toyota is in 1st place. Since BYD is now selling more models, to include even an HEV model, maybe this is the year BYD becomes the 2nd best selling brand at the Expo. And of course Toyota will probably maintain 1st place with its ICEV and HEV models. See charts and weblinks below for detailed info. https://autolifethailand.tv/first-4days-motor-expo-2024-bookings/ Motor Expo 2024 Booking Numbers After 4 of 13 days https://autolifethailand.tv/motor-expo-2023-booking-final/ Motor Expo 2023 Day-by-Day and "Final" Booking Numbers

That web site is only showing bookings for brands; not at a brand's individual models level. Maybe there will be more detailed reporting down to the models level by some news agency later on.

Latest Motor Expo booking stats at below weblink...booking numbers by brand thru 3 Dec as of date/time of this post. Weblink usually updates daily. https://www.motorexpo.co.th/bestselling/

Here's an example of the KW usage while idling in traffic on a cloudy 30C day when the AC did not have to work that hard....car dashboard shows 1KW being used but OBD data shows it's really 1.89KW...durn near 2KW. See circled numbers.

I agree with above approx estimates. I have used OBD2 data (i.e., an OBD2 reader with OBD app) to monitor various metrics on my BYD Atto Extended range with 60.5KW battery. With OBD data you can usually measure some metrics to greater accuracy than what is displayed on the car's digital dashboard/infotainment displays. Like power usage can be measured to two decimal points vs just a whole number. Like power usage (i.e., KW) as you drive along. On the Atto (and I expect all BYD EVs) the amount of KW being used as you drive along, set/stuck in traffic, etc., is only displayed as a "whole" number....like 0KW, 1KW, 2KW, 20KW, 30KW, etc....no decimal point readout. While only displaying to a whole number is all that needed to quickly & easily display approximate power usage for everyday driving if you need/want to know how much power you are really using like when stuck in traffic/idling in hot weather where the dashboard is showing low power usage (i.e., like only a 1 or 2KW) "and" you are really low on battery then only a whole number power usage readout can be deceiving. By "deceiving" I mean you could be using almost twice as much KW when stuck in traffic/idling than what is being displayed on the card dashboard because of the way the BYD system "rounds" to the newest whole number for power usage. Whether actually using 1KW or 1.99KW the car's dashboard will display display 1KW although you could actually being using 1.99KW which is twice the power. If the dashboard is displaying 2KW it could really be as high a 2.99KW actually being used. If it's not too hot of day, you are running the A/C but the car is already cooled down to where the electric AC compressor is no longer running loud & hard and say you are idling/stuck in a traffic jam wondering if you ever get to where you are going, your dashboard could be displaying 0 (zero) KW usage....but actually you could be using 0.99KW. If the dashboard is displaying 1KW you could actually be using 1KW to 1.99KW.....if displaying 2KW you could actually be using 2KW to 2.99KW, etc. What I have found in my OBD data monitoring which reports two decimal point of KW being used (or regenerated) when the Atto is running with no A/C or fan, repeat, off, then the car is really using approx 0.3KW (300 watts). And the running lights only using approx 0.04KW (40 watts) of that 0.3KW. So turning off your running lights to save a little power won't really help much to decease battery usage. Low beam headlights use approx 0.08KW (80 watts) and high bean approx 0.120KW (120 watts). All measured using OBD2 data which reports power usage to two decimal points vs just a whole number. And as nice to know, when you are braking and regenerating KW when the display is say showing a minus 7KW being generated it will really be between a -7 to -7.99KW,....say, -1KW is displaying then it's really -1 to -1.99KW. Just the way BYD rounds and displays power usage/regeneration. So, knowing how BYD vehicles "rounds the display for KW being used/regenerated" if I was stuck in traffic with say 10% battery SOC (which would be around 6KW of my Atto's 60KW battery), A/C turned on to cool of my "hot-under-the-collar attitude due to the traffic jam, headlights even turned on, and the dashboard showing 1KW power usage (which could really be as high as 1.99KW), I know I could really set idling in that traffic jam without moving an inch for at least 3 hours if really using 1.99KW. And if It was really using 1KW then around 6 hours...but it's best to round-up to the next whole KW number to play it safe. Roll the windows down and just turn the A/C and fan off to where the car is only drawing 0.3KW (300 watts) and I could idle in that daytime traffic jam for 20 hours before the battery hit 0% SoC. Yeap, if getting stuck in a traffic jam and running out of juice then you have really let your battery get way, way too low before you started your trip.....you are gambling on smooth traffic the whole way....just blame yourself. Gosh, about the only time I let my Atto drop below 25% SoC is when I have decided to run it down to 10% or below followed by a charge to 100% for the battery BMS recalibration that BYD recommends be done every 3 to 6 months to keep your SoC display accurate.