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3 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

calling 25 % of saxonians illitrate, uneducated lowifes is racism. 

I am not surprised you don’t know what racism means. Good thing is, you can research that. 

I am also not surprised that you’re spreading lies (because I never said above). Not sure if you can work on that habit. 

1 hour ago, Henryford said:

 

If you go for 2b what was the point of the referendum in the first place.

There wasn’t. 

5 hours ago, Xonax said:

In my many years in Thailand, I have NEVER EVER seen any seller check, if my signature matches the one on the card.

On my new CC, I still didn’t sign the signature field because every pen failed to work on it. I’m using the card since three months now without any problem, no one cares to check the signature. 

I like this initiative for a permanent European Union citizenship:

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/002/public/#/initiative

10 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Why on earth are some posters so reliant on it being (in their minds) -  an "advisory" referendum? ?

Because it was. 

1 hour ago, rixalex said:

No, in circumstances with thousands of variables affecting the possible outcome, any person with a functioning brain, including a five year old, would not presume one outcome as being a certainty.

What “thousands of variables” are you talking about? And even then it would depend on the relationship between those variables. 

It also doesn’t matter if some things might not be 100% certain. It’s enough that with a 98 or 99% probability a big mess will happen. 

4 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Others have been around long enough to think for themselves. 

Saying you don’t know something will happen until it actually has happened isn’t thinking for yourself, it’s thinking like a 5-year old. 

6 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Now people in EU countries start to realise why EU is such an good thing for our little nations and we are now much more willing to fight for our rights, which EU gives us.

 

So, thanks Leavers. 

Couldn’t agree more. The irony really is how the Brexit makers were fantasizing about the EU breaking apart because more countries would follow, where now we can see the opposite happening: As the UK is getting itself in mess deeper and deeper everyday, it’s providing the EU a good credential and all sceptics a nice little case study showing why it’s better to not leave. 

Thanks Leavers. 

4 minutes ago, rixalex said:

You can't prove a future event until it has happened. That's the thing about the future.

Following that childish thinking we could all jump from the Lebua without having to worry too much. 

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

So why is the EU making it so difficult?

The EU isn’t making anything difficult. What could be easier to leave the club than just ending the membership (article 50)?

3 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

Agree with the principle of planning and you would have thought that the EU would have had a blueprint for a member country leaving.

They have. It’s called Article 50. You trigger Article 50 and you’re out. Very easy. 

9 minutes ago, Henryford said:

We decided 2 years ago, accept it Remoaners.

Everyone is accepting it. But people won’t give up. Accept that. 

1 hour ago, My Thai Life said:

You may think that's a worthless promise, but clearly millions of people do not.

It would be interesting to know whether that’s true or not. That would require another referendum though. 

1 hour ago, My Thai Life said:

The big difference between you and me is that I accept the result of the referendum and you don't.

Why do so many Brexit supporters confuse accepting with giving up? I think everyone is accepting the referendum result as a matter of fact. But why should the democratic process end with that and remainers being forced to give up their cause? Th result doesn’t change the cause and the arguments. Imagine gay people accepting being gay is illegal when the laws said so and the courts ruled so.

51 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

 

From The Guardian.

No. It’s from a member of Labour’s shadow cabinet.

1 hour ago, sinbin said:

That is not democracy.

It would be as much democracy as the first referendum. Pretty stupid in my opinion, but if the UK wants democracy by referendum then be it. Just be consistent and don’t limit it to thr one decision/time that pleases you. That’s pretty anti-democratic. 

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The only thing that can happen is for us to leave and let the remoaners have their wish of another referendum in 40+ years time.

Im sure there other possible outcomes, albeit less likely. 

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Similar to what I've had to suffer since voting NO in the 70's referendum.

“suffer”. Lol. 

1 minute ago, sinbin said:

Now stop the bleating

I’m afraid that’s my decision alone. Oh, and I’m not bleating. I fortunately won’t be affected by the UK’s idiocy. I’ll either be glad that the U.K. will stay or leave with a good deal, or enjoy Schadenfreude seeing Brexiteers reap what they sowed. 

1 minute ago, sinbin said:

and let democracy be seen to be done. 

I still hope democracy will intervene and stop this nonsense. 

18 minutes ago, The manic said:

Many people have not benefited from the EU. They have seen their wages driven down. They have seen their communities destroyed.  Whole swathes of the UK have seen no tangible benefit from EU membership.

The problem is that a good share of those people believe that is the EU’s fault and/or that leaving the EU will change their situation or that their situation would have been better without the EU. 

And at this point lower levels of education and intellectual capability in fact become relevant, because those people tend to be easier to manipulate by simple propaganda that is abusing their poor situation for a political goal. A reasonably smart person understands that just because there is A and there is B doesn’t mean that B was caused by A, and that there are not C and D that might have caused B. 

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Unfortunately so many Remainers STILL do not accept the result and want to reverse it.

Let’s not mix up two different things here:

1. Reversing the vote can only be done by declaring it null and void. That’s a legal process. 

2. Accepting the vote as a fact and moving on. Moving on can mean:

2.1. Keep fighting for the cause, e.g. through campaigning for another referendum

2.2. Giving up. 

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I can't explain it to you because you don't want to understand.

I think you don’t understand that there’s a difference between accepting and giving up. What you ask is that all remainers please give up. But it’s their right to not do so. 

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Let them get on with it and at the next general election in the UK if you are a registered voter you can have your protest vote.

I’m afraid that’s the decision of the people. Taking away their right to campaign, protest, and ask for another referendum would be pretty anti-democratic. 

2 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

If I were a remainer (or a leaver) worried about the future, which I'm not, I'd be working on mitigating the downside for my personal situation (if there is any, there isn't in my own personal case), not indulging in copy and paste, bunfights, and point-scoring on internet forums.

How do you know people are not doing that? Does the one thing exclude the other one?

29 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

You are just talking in stereotypes. All 17 million of them right. And I'm not surprised at all at your stereotypes.

I didn’t say all 17 million. I said there are consistencies amongst voters voting for Brexit, Le Pen, Wilders, etc. 

29 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Are you suggesting that their vote is worth less than yours, because they have less education than you? Or their opinion is less important?

No. Where did I say so?

29 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Why don't you let us know your educational attainments.

Bevause it’s irrelevant. 

29 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Then we will know how superior you think you are.

I didn’t say I’m superior. 

29 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Or is it just sour grapes because you lost.

Where/When/What did I lose?

3 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

 

Statements like yours are exactly the reason many people voted to leave, and you still don't get it. You are a perfect advert for Leave.

I’m just sharing my personal experience. And don’t pretend to be surprised. Basically every poll analysis shows that those voting for Brexit, Le Pen, Wilders, AfD, Pis, Trump, etc. tend to share those similarities. 

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

But the Brexit side won and the Remainers can't accept that they lost and there IMHO is where it all fell apart.

Why do you think they don’t accept that they lost that vote? I think they accept that they lost that vote, and now move on with their cause. 

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Why should I be denied that right because others lost?

No one is denying you that you won. Everyone accepts that you won. People have moved on to the next round. That’s how democracy works.