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5 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

german factory  orders slump

who needs to move ?barnier more likely

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2018/aug/06/german-factory-orders-slump-trade-war-intensifies-business-live

Barnier needs to move because German factories had a bad month?

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Shareholders would demand that they have all outcomes covered.

Whereas the brexiteers... ?

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

All the major banks have a ‘bad outcome’ contingency plan. 

I think they’re just scaremongering their shareholders, don’t you think?

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

It will be interesting to read those “official” stats, and even more interesting to read who produces them.

Can official stats be produced by anyone else than the government?

54 minutes ago, vogie said:

Call it what you like, you lost. ???????

You too. Everyone lost. The whole country. 

7 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

No, the end game is to keep the UK in the EU.  Read slower and you might understand things better.

Doesn’t make any more sense. 

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Sky: British public opinion has shifted sharply against Brexit, according to a new Sky Data poll.

 

The survey reveals:

:: The government is haemorrhaging trust regarding the Brexit negotiations

:: Two-thirds of the public - including a majority of Leave voters - now think the outcome of Brexit negotiations will be bad for Britain

:: A significant increase in the proportion who think Brexit will negatively affect themselves personally, the economy and the country overall

:: Most people would like to see a referendum asking between the deal suggested by the government, no deal, and remaining in the EU.

Source: https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shifting-sharply-against-brexit-sky-data-poll-reveals-11453220

Full data: https://interactive.news.sky.com/brexitshifttabs.pdf

 

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

your list misses top reasons for the leave vote completely, which are the issues of the steady erosion of UK sovereignty and the growing influence of EU law over British law.

It would be interesting to know what you actually mean and what the problem is. 

17 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 During my 30yrs living n Thailand, I always understood, that it was up to the Thais to comment on their governments, certainly not me.

That’s interesting but I can’t see what it has to do with the topic. 

24 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

anything a wee bit more solid to confirm this?

 

Come on, I’m sure you’ve purchased software before, so you know that the right place to look is the license (agreement) itself. 

The license (agreement) pretty clearly governs who the license owner is and under what terms he can use the license. Often you will even find a change of control clause restricting the license when ownership or management changes. That’s why companies spend so much time understanding (amongst other things) the license situation before they decide to buy another company. They simply don’t wanna end up with operations shutting down on Day-1 because they don’t have the proper licenses for the IT they bought (yes, those things happen). 

Not sure if those licenses are publicly available. Since the EU is generally making a lot of Information and documents available, maybe have a look at the EU websites. 

4 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

 why your government triggered Article 50 before they actually decided what exactly they wanted to negotiate.

Generally in a business negotiation you agree what you want before you sit face to face at the table.

Exactly. One of these typical example where you can see what happens when politicians run the show. 

When companies sell/buy (parts of) a company, what do you think how much time and resources they spend on upfront assessment and planning to ensure minimal disruption on Day-1 and that the business in scope can actually survive standalone? Several rounds of various due diligence; negotiating warranties, conditions, and transition services into the purchase agreement; assessing what licenses, contracts, patents, resources, services, systems, people, etc. can be transferred and how; meticulous planning and execution of the transition, including several readiness checks to ensure disruption is minimal; focus on what’s absolut necessary first. 

The biggest of these transactions take many years to properly plan and execute. Just separating the existing IT system can take 1-2 years when done properly. Often the buyer will receive support from the seller in terms of services provided for up to 18-36 months, all agreed upfront. 

Yet the Brexit protagonists start the countdown with their heads in the sand? 

3 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

All these non Brits, who are all over every Brexit thread like a dose of the skitters know the UK, know what is good for the UK better than anyone ??

I didn’t know it’s citizenship that enables people to participate in a discussion. (Wondering if that’s still your opinion next time a Thai politician complains about Westerners meddling in Thai affairs because “you Farang, you not know Thai”). 

Poor attempt to discredit people that you can’t fight with arguments. 

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Case study - as in packing our bags?

Case study as in “see what a great idea it is to believe those populists and leave the EU”. 

3 hours ago, alfieconn said:

So the 17.4m who voted to leave are "not too smart" ! so what do you base your knowledge on ?

To be precise, I said the majority of people isn’t too smart and educated. Do you really disagree? 

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

It would also make clear to the Italian people, as Brexit will to UK citizens. especially to the less educated and less prosperous, the majority of whom backed Brexit, that most of the problems that beset their economies lie with their national governments, not with the EU. 

This is why Brexit actually will be good for the EU.

The majority of people is uneducated and not too smart. They don’t understand something as complex as the EU, and explaining it to them is almost impossible and takes a long time. 

They are easy prey for people like Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, or the Brexit protagonists whose messages and explanations, even though outright lies or completely absurd allegations, are simple and easy to understand. That’s why they vote for those people. For the same reason they prefer the yellow-press over quality media or a soap opera over a museum. 

What they will understand though is when reality kicks in. We can already see that now with the public opinion towards the EU changing as people realise what chaos Brexit is even before it’s executed. Once the whole impact of it becomes apparent, right-wings will have to find another scapegoat.

Ironically, the UK is providing the EU a nice little case study here. 

15 hours ago, The Renegade said:

 

The mess that the UK now finds itself struggling through is a direct result of Remainers, whether they be Tory, Labour, right wing, left wing or non descript. Who refuse to accept:

 

A Referendum result.

 

That MP's voted by a margin of 4 - 1 to invoke article 50.

You would have the same mess if all those people you blame would be just sitting back doing nothing. The reason for this mess is that they accepted a referendum by invoking article 50. You would not have this mess if they didn’t invoke article 50 and just gave a damn about the referendum (or didn’t hold the referendum in the first place). Please stick to the fact. 

42 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

 Entering into a conversation at a bar with a stranger, one of the first things most people ask is where the other is from. 

This is not the bar. This is a public discussion board. I prefer to not disclose too much personal information on the internet. 

And if we met in a bar, although I would tell where I am from, I would certainly not discuss Brexit with you. And that does not have anything to do with my or your nationality, but with the fact that politics are not a good small talk topic (I actually did the mistake at a company event with two French guys and two Malaysian girls: the one anti-EU French guy had to argue against us four and even the discussion was polite and constructive, the night was ruined). 

42 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

For example, Germany benefit a lot from the EU, particularly from the Euro.

Like said earlier, I believe all member states benefit from the EU, especially in the long run. 

42 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

But what you need to understand is that the majority of British people value sovereignty and independence over ever closer union.

That’s the problem with referendums. The masses don’t necessarily decide what’s good for the economy. 

42 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The UK will survive Brexit, and will thrive again. I'm less confident that the EU will do the same.

I guess we are both allowed to read in our Chrystal balls. 

35 minutes ago, citybiker said:

 

 

There won’t be a deal with Trump. There will never be any deal with Trump. A deal requires two parties entering into a binding agreement with both parties respecting the agreement and fulfilling their obligations. With Trump, all you can get a lie today, and then seeing what he’s lieing tomorrow. 

35 minutes ago, citybiker said:

 

 

There won’t be a deal with Trump. There will never be any deal with Trump. A deal requires two parties entering into a binding agreement with both parties respecting the agreement and fulfilling their obligations. With Trump, all you can get a lie today, and then seeing what he’s lieing tomorrow. 

35 minutes ago, citybiker said:

 

 

There won’t be a deal with Trump. There will never be any deal with Trump. A deal requires two parties entering into a binding agreement with both parties respecting the agreement and fulfilling their obligations. With Trump, all you can get a lie today, and then seeing what he’s lieing tomorrow. 

42 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

???

 

All the Countries below Cyprus receive FREE MONEY from the EU. 

Nonsense. The graphic you posted shows, apparently, the investments the EU is doing in certain countries — subsidies, development projects, etc. 

2 hours ago, The Renegade said:

 

If I was getting free money. I would want to join the EU also.

But you want to leave. The reason could be that there is no free money. Don’t know where you get such nonsense from. Was it printed on a Bus?

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

 

This is where you are getting it all wrong.

 

1. Politicians, by and large are not experts in anything. That is why £ millions are paid out annually to advisors and special advisors.

 

2 Competent ? That is funny, how many have been screaming on these Brexit threads about incompetent politicians.

How am I getting it wrong?

1. That’s what I said: I as a simple guy do not have the resources politicians have. (Thus me not understanding how anyone sane would hold a referendum about something this complex.)

2. I was talking about the EU leadership. The U.K.? To be fair, I don’t think all of them are incompetent. I think their main problem is that they are stuck between doing what’s best for their people vs. pleasing right-wings and a referendum result. Those are conflicting objectives which result in having to square the circle. And it will eventually lead to a no-deal or having to decide for one position. 

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3. Act in YOUR best interest ?? Hell will freeze over before that happens.

You’re welcome to have your own opinion and feelings. Me as a EU citizen feel pretty good. I would feel much worse if I were a UK citizen at the moment. 

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So it would be great to find a Country that has the attributes in their Politicians that you list above, can you let us into the secret of where it is ? I might just move there.

It will be increasingly difficult for you to move there because you just decided to leave it.