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2 hours ago, transam said:

Germany signed a pact with the Russians, did the Germans stick to it, in fact it turned out to be a slaughter....????

 

So please don't go down the "honouring agreements" route ..

No, Germany did not. The Third Reich did. Anyway, it’s as relevant as what my uncle’s friend Tommy farts when he had too many pints. 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

 

It would be perfectly democratic using a simple majority, but for the last 4 or 5 years this is not how you have been telling us how the EU works,

Yes, because I’ve been sticking to the facts. 
 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

it seems to me that the EU makes its own rules up to please the big two.

Not sure why it would seem like that to you, especially since you can see here that the exact opposite is happening. 
 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

It has also been noted that you do get very defensive when anybody questions any aspects of the EU.

Contrary to what you think you’ve noted, I am criticizing the EU for being too democratic and not having implemented enough safeguards to deal with member states that demolish democracy. 

19 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Cannot see why the Brexiteers are getting so animated over this subject.

First, this issue shows them how much more democratic the EU is compared to the UKSSR. Whereas Brexit was decided on a razor thin majority (electorate) or no majority at all (member states) without even being binding, the EU requires unanimous consent to the extent that de-facto fascist states can block a budget. Their whole hogwash of the EU being “undemocratic” is collapsing yet again.

Secondly, there’s a good chance that people who applaud their own populist in charge for breaking international law and not honoring agreements sympathize with other populists who are doing the same thing. Thus my idea of Hungary and Poland joining the UKSSR instead. Boris and Orban would make good buddies. 

18 minutes ago, vogie said:

Isn’t that how England is treating Scotland, or Brexiteers are treating Remainers in the UK? 

Nice bit of deflection there Wolves, and no that is not how England is treating Scotland, Scotland chose to have a vote and the rest of the UK respected the result of that vote, its called democracy.

Where did you respect that two or your four member states voted against Brexit?  
 

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You are not respecting Hungary or Polands vote because they didn't vote how Germany and France wanted them to.

Please provide some evidence for your claims. I call it hogwash because it seems that:

1) Hungary’s and Poland’s votes are in fact being respected, unfortunately, otherwise we wouldn’t have this topic here; and 

2) It is 24 countries that voted differently. 

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"Paris has signalled the EU might move ahead with the recovery fund without Poland and Hungary under an EU "enhanced cooperation" law that allows a group of at least nine countries to pursue a joint project if others object."

 

So basically France wants to ignore votes that doesn't go their way,

There was a vote on the budget. The fact that France is seeking ways to setup a recovery fund for Covid relief under the “enhanced cooperation law” shows that they’re not ignoring those two countries’ votes on the budget. 

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that doesn't seem very democratic to me and not to mention the posters on here that want them removed from the EU member states because they won't vote as instructed.

It’s a club. Every club should have ways to expel members that aren’t fit for the club or are damaging it. 
 

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You have been telling us for the last 4 or 5 years how democratic the EU is, well pull the other one, its got bells on it.

And it would be perfectly democratic if a simple majority vote (instead of an unanimous vote) would be required, or if an e.g. two-thirds majority could expel member states for agreed reasons. What UK affairs require an unanimous decisions from all its member states? It wasn’t Brexit for sure ???? 

22 minutes ago, transam said:

The leader of your club was the biggest fascist state ever....

Had you actually read the topic here before getting in your anti-EU obsession, you would know that the EU’s problem discussed here is that every member state in fact has a vote and decisions require an unanimous vote. So whatever you’re rambling about a “leader” is obvious hogwash.

Add to that that none of your Union’s affairs requires unanimous consent (from all member states; from all electorate) you’re also a hypocrite. 

1 minute ago, transam said:

you want Poland and Hungary thrown out but you won't do that with a country like the UK that has cash and water......Hypocrites...????

Where did I say that I didn’t want the UK to be thrown out? 

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Don't vote how Germany and France want you to vote or we'll ignore your vote, that's democracy all right.????????????

Isn’t that how England is treating Scotland, or Brexiteers are treating Remainers in the UK? 
 

Had you actually read the topic here before getting in your anti-EU obsession, you would know that the EU’s problem discussed here is that every member state in fact has a vote and decisions require an unanimous vote. So whatever you’re rambling about Germany and France is obvious hogwash.

Add to that that none of your Union’s affairs requires unanimous consent (from all member states; from all electorate) you’re also a hypocrite. 
 

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Good to see that all member states are equal, it is just unfortunate that some member states are more equal than others. 

And another Brexiteer coming to the rescue of populists trying to turn their countries into fascist states. Again, not surprised. 
 

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Should have stayed a market, IMO.

How’s that relevant here? If the EU was just the single market, you think populists trying to turn their countries into fascist states should be given the benefit of having access to it? The situation would be the same—it is the EU’s benefits that (hopefully) can exert pressure and lead to change.  

34 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Which side is the mentally disturbed side?

Maybe start with those that believe that George Soros, The Gates Foundation, China, Russia, the Clintons and a dead Mexican president conspired with a Venezuelan politician to manipulate a software to change some votes, before going back into the basement of a pizza shop to sell some children. Is that enough for mentally disturbed, or should I add Covid hoax, birth certificates, and what not? 

43 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

How do you expect to have an actual discussion?

There won’t be. A discussion requires a fact base. But half of Americans opted to live in a video game parallel reality world. You could as well ask why we are not going to a nuthouse and have an actual discussion with those who believe there are little dark creatures secretly following them. 
 

These people are lost souls. The USA is a lost nation. It is not sustainable to live under the same roof with a mob of mentally disturbed. Eventually this will end in a bigger conflict, which may (or may not) turn around things. This could be a civil war or a major clampdown on fake news, lies, and conspiracy theories. 

1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

Why wouldn't you want to prove your side won, instead just saying accept it. That just causes more division. 

Trump and his mob are causing division. No recount will stop that. 

30 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Of course I would accept a recount that observers from both sides confirm was fair and accurate.

Eventually you will have to accept it, even if the big baby and his crazy lawyer keep throwing tantrums that it wasn’t fair and accurate. That’s life. 

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Good to see member states standing up to the EU at last.

I’m not surprised a Brexiteer sympathizes with undemocratic populist regimes. Can’t you take those two with you while you’re leaving? 

It’s unfortunate there doesn’t seem to be any way to just kick out undemocratic right-wing populist regimes. It was a mistake to require an unanimous vote for decisions like budget sign-off etc. 
 

At least the majority of EU members seems to be determined to not longer accept fascists in the club. I hope they’ll find a way to deal with them. 

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Trump's vaccine team will not brief Biden administration

They call it Team Bleach. 

The Republicans are the party of minority rule. In a democratic America (ie., where the majority decides), their ideas wouldn’t fly. It’s not compatible with the current American socio-demographics. So they’ve been cheating, manipulating and damaging the system for years through all the gerrymandering and voter suppression. They even admit it when they openly say that no Republican would ever be elected if the system was a democracy. 

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Georgia is doing the right thing! All the blue states that were ahead in the count should do the same thing, hand -count. After all if there is no corruption what do you have to hide?

There are clearly defined rules for when recounts happen or not. Those rules are not “if it’s a blue state” and they neither are “recount anyway if you don’t have anything to hide.”

And we all know how these recounts will turn out: If they confirm Biden  won that state, then it’s “fraud” again. The lawsuits will follow the same path: If the courts throw them out, then it’s the “deep state”. 
 

This is all about a sociopath wannabe dictator, his radical followers, and a party that has for a long time manipulated the system towards minority rule (because they know their ideas would never fly with a majority) trying to destroy democracy and steal an election by creating doubts among those that can easily be manipulated. 
 

42 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   We are currently waiting for any evidence of the allegations  , investigations are underway and the US cannot move forward until these allegations are either proven or shown to be false 

Do you even realise what nonsense you a wrote here? You are not only admitting there there’s no evidence for any of the allegations, you even have the audacity to demand that someone must prove your (unfounded) allegations to be wrong. How about someone spitting out an allegation of you being a [xxx], without any evidence, but “currently waiting for any evidence”, and until you can prove the allegation to be false you are subject to investigation? 
 

What video game fantasy world are you guys living in? 

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

The word concede isn't in Trump's vocabulary. ???? 

No doubt he has a limited vocabulary. He’s limited in many ways. 

37 minutes ago, vogie said:

Part quoting me is the only way you will make a point, allow me to show my full quote.

"Getting out of the EU would have been a walk in the park without the anti democratic remainers pulling in the opposite direction."

 

 

How does that change that you were wrong? The only thing the rest of your quote adds is giving a reason why you were wrong, I.e. because you misjudged the situation and the influence your political opponent would have. If that matters to you — fine.