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17 minutes ago, vogie said:

I can totally understand your position, you know Germany will be hit very hard with a no deal Brexit, if claiming falsehoods helps you get through your day, well who am I to deny your petty little jibes. 

“falsehoods” ???? 

13 minutes ago, Techno Viking said:

great news, should keep the smelly cheap charlie farangs away !!

Unless they also change the requirements for the visa exemption scheme, the majority of “cheap Charlie farangs” will not be affected at all. Because of this, and because this is being changed during a time when no tourists are coming anyway, it’s a quite odd change. 

40 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Like we accepted the EU's level playing field and ECJ jurisdiction?

 

You can ask Barnier how easy it is to get UK negotiators to 'take what they are given'. If Johnson wants No Deal, No Deal is what he will get and you Remainers can whinge and moan about it as much as you like ????.

 

 

You claimed you would get a deal. Not only a deal, but one where you would have your cake and eat it. Not only that, it would only take an afternoon tea and be the easiest deal in history. 
 

It’s four years later now. You still don’t have a deal. If you get one, you will end up with the crumbs. 
 

Who are you trying to fool? 

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Nobody cares what you suspect. I would have accepted a Remain victory 100%. Because I am a grown adult who respects Democracy, unlike many Remainers. 

And, of course, the same applies the other way round and nobody cares what you consider “Democracy” or “a grown adult” to do.  

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Are you aware of the difference between referendums and General Elections?

Yes, elections are binding, referendums are advisory only. 
 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Are you seriously suggesting we vote on Brexit every 4 years and leave the EU and rejoin every 4 years based on the result?????

It was your analogy. Not mine. 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

It is your analogy that lacks credibility, not mine.

I’m afraid you’re wrong. 
 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

It took decades to get the referendum on Brexit and we voted leave and have left. 30 years seems to be the precedent on these things, so I'd be open to a Rejoin referendum in say, 2046 if there was an appetite for one.

I’m afraid no one cares about what you think is the right time. Would a future government even need a referendum? Would they even need parliament? 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

They're quiet? That's absolutely shocking. Maybe they have accepted the Democratic process and result like grown-up adults?

 

What would you prefer, they spend the next 4 years arguing that they should re-run the election, launching legal battles, making childish insults and baseless accusations to Biden supporters like the Remainers did when they lost? ????

 

Sounds like the Trump supporters are showing a lot more humility and maturity than Remainers did.

 

So you’d be willing to give the remainers another vote in 4 years, same as Trump voters will get another vote in 4 years? And you’re not suggesting that until then, Trump supporters aren’t allowed to campaign because that would mean “not accepting the Democratic will of the people”? 
 

Come on, you can do better analogies. 

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

It's attitudes like yours that cause so many problems.

Whom exactly is his attitude causing “many problems”? 
 

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Instead you take the line "hahah I knew we were bigger and better than you. Now your are surrendering to the mighty EU hahahahah". It's such an immature and childish attitude, hardly conducive to a mature debate and a positive outcome, but sadly typical of TV's very own resident Brit hater ????.

You built Brexit on a pile of lies, manipulation and verbal abuse towards the EU. You deserve every bit of Schadenfreude. Im neither a Brit nor a Brit hater. I’m not even against Brexit itself. I may even have wished you good luck had Brexit been a honest act of democracy by decent people and not the product of populists and their lies. But then we all know that Brexit was only be possible in the first place because of cheating the electorate and providing the hate filled rhetoric that the rest of them needs to vote for (in fact: against) something. 

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Biden hasn't won, IMO, till the electoral college says he has and congress announces it

Yes. When Germany leads Brazil 7-0 in the World Cup in minute 80 then it also hasn’t won “IMO”. You sound desperate. 

6 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Murtaugh said Trump will hold a series of rallies to build support for the legal fights challenging the outcome, though Murtaugh did not say when and where they would take place.

They’re still scouting the best gardening centers and adult book shops. 

42 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

If recounts are imposed will they include states won by Trump or only won by Democrats.?

AFAIK recounts are not imposed(ie. by a court), but come automatically once a defined threshold is met which varies by state. Thus, even states won by Trump may have to be recounted (in general; I’m too lazy to look up every state’s legislation now and compare it against the state’s results). Recounts are standard procedure in elections. In the past, however, they rarely changed anything. 

This is not a case of Bush vs. Gore where some 500 votes in one state decide everything. This is a situation of a democratic candidate clearly winning several key states vs. a corrupt, pathological liar with a history of fraud who made it clear from the very beginning on that he will do everything to steal the election.

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Canada had a deal "with all the good stuff" without all this hassle

I still fail to see what Canada has to do with the UK. It seems as irrelevant as saying “Germany has a good membership in the EU without all the leaving.” 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

the truth of the matter is that the EU is bricking it knowing when the UK makes a huge success of Brexit they will be toast, at the moment they are just stale bread.

Assuming for a moment that this was the case then: (1) the “easiest deal in history” comments would have been exposed as lies; and (2) the EU would be acting perfectly rational.

3 hours ago, transam said:

.....told what to do in its own country....

So the WTO is not doing that, or how are you trading under WTO rules? 
 

3 hours ago, transam said:

but you carry on, perhaps you come from one of the 27 with its hand out...

I don’t think it matters where I come from to see the flaw in your argument. 

5 hours ago, transam said:

The UK will no longer be told what it can and can't do

How are you going to trade on WTO rules then? There’s a reason it’s called “WTO rules” and not “UK rules”. 

50 minutes ago, quake said:

Think Biden, has just ordered one of these to 

carry around the nuclear football.

 

Whereas Donald needed one of these:
 

37 minutes ago, rumak said:

actually i think he is dead ,   looks like a wax double to me .......

Come on, if we really wanna discuss looks now, Joe Biden is less obese, less orange, and has bigger hands than the Don. 

15 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

For one the social media companies are platforms for free expression.  This is what they sold themselves as to the people.  They are now doing a bait and switch and acting as editors of free expression.  But only free expression of what they approve of.

First, it’s up to a social media company what it is or wants to be. This is not the Soviet Union where a government decides what companies have to produce. 
 

Second, no one’s right for free expression can be violated by a social media company. Otherwise I want Breitbart, Alex Jones and all those other Russian troll factories to publish my essay about Donals Dumb’s little hands. 

15 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

 

Secondly, the point is that if Americans understood, at least at some point in their history, the importance of free speech then why have social media companies lost that understanding?  It's a question of what kind of a nation the U.S. wants to be now.

I think you are the one who hasn’t understood what free speech is and is not. Free speech is not that someone can force his opinion onto you and make you put it onto your website. 

15 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 Censorship starts very slowly and as long as one's voice still has an outlet then it doesn't bother one that another has lost his.  Censorship evolves, though.  It tightens it's noose.  And soon one may find that their voice is denied an outlet.

There hasn’t been any censorship. As with free speech, you really need to understand what these bid powerful terms mean. 
 

15 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm German and I've learned my nation's dark history well.  I have not forgotten history and I am seeing it repeated.

The only parallel I can see is between Germany’s dark history and your opinion. Nowhere in Nazi-Germany nor in the DDR would you have been able to freely publish an own website with your own opinion without the government telling you to cover the government’s propaganda. And now you are suggesting that it should be the government to tell websites what to put online? 
 

Does anyone know if Vladimir Putin has announced his resignation yet after he has lost the US election? I heard he’s going to make a statement at a local gardening center in Novosibirsk.