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4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Because the “winners” (lol) know they would lose a referendum

You sound like a child in a playground, if you won the Euro Millions Draw and the organisers said you had to buy another ticket to see if you had really won it, I suspect you would be none too happy.

That’s not what happened I’m afraid ???? 

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

Please respect that no one voted for a hard Brexit because it was never on the ballot paper. Please respect that people want to have their say now as the menu has become clear, and please respect that some people want to revisit their first vote in the light of what mass Brexit turned out to be. 

There were many things not on the ballot paper, please try to concentrate what was on the ballot paper and your understanding of Brexit may become more apparent, it stated Leave or Remain.

I'm really not sure if you have an aversion to realise what is happening around you or are you being deliberately obtuse.

Then leave under May’s deal, or leave under a customs union, because all your interpretations of what leave means for you were not on the ballot paper ???? 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Can we get one thing straight here, the only people that want a "second referendum" are the losers and the people that don't want to leave the EU.

Because the “winners” (lol) know they would lose a referendum ???? 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

in life we have to accept decisions sometimes, although we don't agree with them.

No, you don’t. 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I don't like paying my electric bill every month, but I know it's the right thing to do, same as remainers should accept the result of the democratic vote that the British electorate was offered.

Or they just show you their middle finger and keep fighting for their cause. You can keep whining on Internet forums. 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

You go on to say "British voters can decide what type of Brexit they want" it is not an Argos catalogue where you look in the catalogue and say, oh, I quite like that one.

By now, there is clear menu to chose from available. The reason Brexiteers don’t like the idea is that the menu doesn’t include the pink unicorn option anymore that they promised the people to manipulate them into voting for Brexit. 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Brexit means leave, and that is what the majority of the British voting public voted for, please respect their decision.

Please respect that no one voted for a hard Brexit because it was never on the ballot paper. Please respect that people want to have their say now as the menu has become clear, and please respect that some people want to revisit their first vote in the light of what mass Brexit turned out to be. 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

We have already had the parliamentary majority for it. The European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 was legislated for us to Leave.

That's all we need. No requirement for any type of a deal in there, no compromises by anybody, nor any more voting. It's the Trump card to anything the EU might decide to discuss at another eleventh hour.  

The sad thing is, I think you actually believe this (despite begging from extension to extension). 

5 hours ago, Alan Michael said:

For better or for worse and which ever side you are on; Brexit vs parliament is the biggest exercise in democracy the world has ever experienced.

It's between those who wish to remain in a single state, one culture, one government Europe and those who desire local individual governments and keeping the beauty of the diverse cultures of the European nations.

46 minutes ago, damascase said:

If you really think that at present (‘remain’) you are in a single state, one culture, one government Europe, you are beyond help.

“single state, one culture, one government” = little England 

“local individual governments and (...) the beauty of the diverse cultures of the European nations” = EU

32 minutes ago, vogie said:

But he is the only man to get us out of the EU and keep a Corbyn Marxist government out of number 10, now you wouldn't want that now would you.

No one will get you out of the EU, unless that someone can find a parliamentary majority for it. Your problem is not the PM’s name, but his/her ability to build bridges and find compromises (that and your weak negotiation position). 

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I hope so too. As a man without principles he will hopefully end up revoking and remaining.

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He will face the same issue as May and all the other candidates: The same options on the table, while no majority in parliament for any of them. He could try the no-deal thing, but that would likely lead to a general election. That he doesn’t want because what he wants first and foremost is to be PM (and not just for half year).

If he’s not completely stupid, he says: “Look, there is no majority for anything. Everyone is fed up with it. I personally don’t care what the decision will be; I want to get it done and let the country move on. Thus, I give it to you the people to decide // I stop the whole thing here. Then I will move on to more important issues.”

That would be a strong move, and it would make him a respected PM while probably saving his party. 

7 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

I think that the EU is tired of all these fruitless negotiations and is preparing for the " NO DEAL " by now .

They have done that already. Check the recently published Communication of 12 June 2019: “State of play of preparations of contingency measures for the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union”. 

Whereas recently leaked papers from the UK government show that the UK would need another 4-8 months to prepare (only paywall link: https://www.ft.com/content/a678db62-8ce9-11e9-a24d-b42f641eca37). 

12 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Teresa May was too soft. Should have told 'em, unless we get a fair deal we're not paying. And just what could the EU do if we refused to pay?

Let you crash out without a deal, stop all payments, don’t negotiate anything until the bill is settled, sue. 

12 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Sue us in the European Court that we would no longer recognise?

And then Brexiteers complain when they’re being called uneducated fools... ever heard of the ICJ? Or are you going to not recognize that one too?

12 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

If we crash out it will hurt the EU as much as the UK as trade is two way.

And then Brexiteers complain when they’re being called uneducated fools... don’t realize two way is not the same as equal?

12 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Another mistake was negotiating with the French. May should have done a deal with Angela Merkel, the rest would follow her lead.... except the French of course, who would have been left out in the cold.

And then Brexiteers complain when they’re being called uneducated fools... didn’t notice that the EU requires unanimity, and that the UK never negotiated “with the French”?

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I see the "no collusion, no obstruction" verdict didn't slow them down much.

There was no such verdict. Another lie of serial liar Trump and his lying fans.  

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I don't have a problem with paying the debt whatever the cost provided there is an international firm of accountants (perhaps Swiss) to go through the amount line by line to ensure thaty we are paying the correct amount and the bill is itemised.

 

Also that an international firm of auditors (Swiss again?) audit the EU accounts.

Brilliant. You should apply those ingenious tactics to your personal life as well: “No, I will not pay the remaining six months of my gym contract. I want to leave now and honoring contracts hurts my sovereignty. I might pay if you give me free access to your facilities for another three years though, and, of course, you would have to prove that you’re being audited by a Swiss audit firm. Not sure what that has to do with my gym contract, but my Führer told me I should say it.”