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Some day i think the same, but i still have some hope.

That's fair enough, no one can deny your common sense, but perhaps a little more general interest in spiritual research could add some ethics to science. If you don't see the slippery slope of a science without ethics it's ok, i guess, surely you are not alone.

Yet, those science's limitations, which can be called sometimes aberrations, you seem to be not too willing to discuss. In other words, science seems quite willing to help the development of technology, even when that technology is obviously unethical, for a price. Someone may not see anything wrong with it, after all, making money is important.. yet i have the feeling that this is a wrong path for the whole world to follow..

Yep, and i find somehow comforting that someone, once in a while, shares those feelings. It seems like all the religion fanatics of the middle ages have reincarnated as science fanatics of today. ????

Lol, you just reminded me of what i did once playing with benzene in the bathroom, but i was caught in the act . The terror on my mother's face as she was staring at the column of flames erupting from the sink was priceless. ????

That's quite possible ! It's also true that every day, while reading my favourite master's lectures, i ask myself the same question you're asking me. I have no doubt though, that exploring the difference between the awakening state, the deep sleeping state, and the dreamlike state can give one interesting clues about consciousness. For example, when you dream, you are still you, but your relationship with your physical body is completely different.

Yet, some people don't want to hear it ????

If one had to be extremely cynical, it could be said that materialistic science is building its own prison.

That's magnanimous from science ????

Excellent, although diagrams can only be a pale reflection of " all that exist", this is a good one !

Holy words. I think Louis Armstrong, also known as Satchmo, or "the angel of harlem, would agree.

Warning, you are a little step away from being a believer. .. just if you start asking yourself whether consciousness originates from humans, or, most likely imho, it's already here and there, regardless of our life on this tiny planet.

That's a good point, yet it appears that materialistic science doesn't have a high opinion of " feelings ". Instead, spiritual science gives a lot of importance to feelings, which are connected with imagination and desire, which are connected with thoughts, which are connected to actions and results in the material world. All of this " soup" ingredients are the ingredients of your spiritual body, which is called " soul".

There is indeed some truth in what you say, and there indeed may be some sort of " rules " in the higher realms. However, by now, you should know the difference between " science " intended as pure knowledge, and mechanistic ( or materialistic) science, which studies the property of matter, and has become a pretty unethical tool in the hands of a few. Yes, obviously the natural (or material) world and the state of awakening are consistent with the spiritual worlds and the dreamlike state. So, yes, true science can describe spiritual realities, but it always will be a subjective experience described by a man ( or a group of men ) with all its imperfections. Btw, thanks for your thoughtful post.

Well, at least we know the name of your God. I would say, however, that your god is a human construct, and it's totally insignificant in the spiritual world. When you dream, you are in a spiritual world, and you cannot measure anything there.

Thanks for understanding the meaning of what i was trying to say. Well, i believe that there's a hierarchy from the point of view of small beings, living on a small planet in the vastness of the visible universe. It's fair imho to say that smaller beings can operate changes and transform smaller realities, in the same way, higher beings can transform higher, or bigger realities. I know that for most this is complete nonsense, but what can i do.. As for Seth's concept of 'bedrock reality ' i can compare it to the Hindu vision of the trinity, which somehow i find easier to understand than the Christian trinity, we can see the solar system as a tiny atom, with a sun as nucleus, the planets orbiting, and last but not least the force of attraction ( which can be defined as love) which keeps everything together. This repeating pattern can be called God.

I consider this to be very sound reasoning, long before hearing about Seth. If we take time out of the equation, one may even say that matter and thought are the same thing, just with a different frequency.

Deja vu n. 5 ????

I was typing a long ( for my standard) post about bedrock reality, but it went accidentally deleted, so, forget it ???? Yes, stirring the pot is ok, and controversy is good. But we still can agree to disagree on almost everything, what is left is probably bedrock reality ????

Well, to be honest, I'm aware of that possibility, a false prophet could give his followers mostly correct informations to gain their trust, and then completely mislead them. So being skeptical is not a bad thing at all.

Not necessarily. It doesn't matter to me if it's Seth or J.Roberts talking to herself. There are many cases in literature where people claim to be in contact with spirit, some may be charlatans of course, but others may be not. As i said, comparing Seth's words with various other spiritual masters' and texts', i have a positive impression that that wisdom, although with different words, images and metaphors, is worth at least some consideration. Incidentally, I've had enough experiences with the supernatural not to discount or dismiss anything, and i would add that, generally, drinking alcohol, even in small quantities, limits drastically the opportunity to get in contact with supernatural beings. Perhaps medicaments and other intoxicants have similar effects, but I'm not sure about that.

The fact that you have never seen/heard a spirit is not evidence that some other people cannot see/hear. If you think that all the people who have seen/heard a spirit are mentally ill, perhaps you have a prejudice. Perhaps, removing that prejudice just for a short while could give you another perspective. We are not talking about blind faith here, and you would admit that having a strong prejudice is not the right attitude to understand what Seth , or anybody says. Btw, we are looking at the finger here, and not at the moon, so to speak. J.Roberts and Seth are just the messengers of a cosmic vision; i have no intention, at the moment, to study Seth's message intensively, but what I've read so far makes enough sense to me.

The thread which keeps on giving ????

Same here, at least thrice in few days ????

That's harsh, don't you think? Why not staying on topic and say what do you think about existence, reality and consciousness, just saying. Or do you think that " science " knows anything you want to know ? No one is trying to indoctrinate anyone here, although peaks of egos may occasionally appear ????