34 minutes ago, simple1 said:

As far as I know Muslims complaining about not being able to pray at work or what is taught at schools etc hasn't changed French laws. Can't see the point of talking further on this matter. looks as though we are far apart regarding right of Muslims to peacefully protest.

Because we resist their demands ( veil etc)  but we are fed up to a point you can't imagine, stop fueling islamophobia and complain about it at the same time. 

If I need to hire some staff do yoU think I'm going to select someone who will show off his demands after a while ( once the critical number is reached), and then complain about discrimination;

If you want to live your faith like in muslim country, then France isn't for you. Period. 

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Sure, if they're promoting violent Islamist ideology, otherwise any group has a right to express their opinions e.g. the yellow vests who do protest (whine?) a great deal.

As far as I know, yellow vest protesters (including all faith believers - unions, etc among them muslims- that is not the problem) did not;

- complained about not being able to pray while at work

- complained about what is teached at school

But it's true that Yellow vest protesters have heavily and durably harmed French economy in december while Xmas season is crucial for retailers.

You can't fix stupid. You don't kill yhe cow you want to milk.

so your comparison is irrelevant

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Suggest to you a practising Muslims would attend mosque at least once a week - Friday prayers.

 

Right now listening to "over you" by ZZ Top - great music...

I suggest they stop whining having to live in a country of disbelievers and not knowing how to cope with - easy : leave

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Component of the OP program was first announced 02/20. I credit Macron with a focussed and credible effort to minimise Islamist teachings within France, although obviously threat by online means still exists, but virtually impossible to block all online Islamist content from overseas.

 

https://www.dw.com/en/france-to-curb-foreign-imams-to-counter-islamic-extremism/a-52425779

 

Other efforts have been underway for quite a while. Back in 2015 40 Islamist Imams were deported, don't know how many since.

 

https://www.thelocal.fr/20150629/france-40-imams-deported-for-preaching-hatred

the impossible mission is to control what parents at home tell to their children - most of newcomers know nothing about France and are not interested - if not opposed- they have a unique guide -  no need for imams, it's hopeless. 

18 minutes ago, Aspaltso said:

I respect his attempt to stop the isolation of these communities, but my suspicion is that it will be futile. All evidence I've seen from western Europe shows many of these communities( in particular the most religious) do not want to become part of the nations they inhabit, because they view them as immoral, and dirty rewards Islam. Again; good attempt. I have never seen any other French President make an attempt like this, but ultimately different action going to have to be taken with these communities.

There is a red line: people with roots/ beliefs in opposition to our core values shouldn't be let free to change the fabric of our country.

It's as simple as that: it's not up to us to adapt to people who impose themselves and spit on our values. 

There is a price to pay when you decide to migrate, and it shouldn't be at the expenses of the host country.   

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Wow.  33 pages already.  Not much worth talking about regarding this headline as far as I'm concerned since so little is known.  But it sure does provide for endless speculation on a number of issues and how they might be affected.

 

Other than that my only other comment is to say how sad it is to see so many here and elsewhere whose politics trumps their humanity and cheerfully express their ill wishes and hopes for a bad outcome for Trump.  These types of people should never be allowed to wield the levers of power.

it was avoidable (but not his political choice, ie  Trump campaign had social distancing stickers removed before Tulsa rally. ) so it became predictable (coronavirus waivers), decisions have consequences, no need for hypocrisy, 

5 minutes ago, J Town said:

Damn! Now Kelly Anne got the 'Rona!

6 attendees of SCOTUS nomination at Rose Garden test positive for COVID-19

( as President Donald Trump officially nominated Amy Coney Barrett to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court.)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attendees-scotus-nomination-rose-garden-test-positive-covid/story?id=73391378

no comment 

26 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Biden has announced that he's pulling all negative Trump ads for 14 days.  Can you imagine what Trump would do if it was Biden who came down with COVID?  Trump would be out there 24/7 viciously attacking Biden for being weak and stupid.  You know this to be true.  Fact is, we only have one candidate running for President who's a decent human being, and it's not Trump. 

YES - no need to debate anymore, facts speak for themselves. 

1 minute ago, bodga said:

you would think he would have sorted  all those black lives out in his time in office

because Obama didn't think "black" as POTUS - while Trump thinks white... IMO 

32 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And let’s not forget that Hitler built the autobahn. 

 

OTT but "“I just can't listen to any more Wagner, you know...I'm starting to get the urge to conquer Poland.” (Woody Allen)

6 minutes ago, serenedion said:

I'm just afraid that Joe Biden won't be brave enough to comment on Trump's illness the way Trump did about Clinton's. Clearly Trump is made of sterner stuff.

"brave"? 

1 minute ago, donnacha said:

I'm not sure if that was @Opl's point.

I would say that China clearly took steps to restrict the spread of the virus within China while continuing to allow it to spread out of China, specifically pressuring the W.H.O. to echo China's official line rather than what the W.H.O.'s own people in China were reporting to it.

I don't think they were targeting particular people, just competing economies in general.

 

the job description you gave is the populist leader's one, cheerleader, crowds as large as possible + virus .. all 3 tested positive to covid ( and I'd add the Ostrich alliance).

4 minutes ago, donnacha said:

When most guys his age are safely sheltering at home, his job demands that he constantly travel and mix with a large number of people every day.

His role is partly symbolic and important to the morale of the nation, so, he does not have the option to hide in a basement.

Whatever you may think of him personally, he and his wife caught this virus while doing the job that America asked them to do. They deserve better than the nasty, politically-driven narrative that Trump is personally responsible for the pandemic and that the Democrats would somehow have handled things better.

 

Bolsonaro, B.Johnson, Trump, all populist leaders