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This can't backfire.
The Democrats are so deeply unpopular in the poorest regions of the country that this is a win-win for the government.
Guilty verdict satisfies Thaksin, the red shirts and their sympathisers, not-guilty (carefully spun) exposes the corruption in the court system and re-enforces that the elite, the coup-makers and their associates never go to jail.
It's brilliant politics from the master (underhanded admittedly). It also paves way to have all these niggling little 'politically motivated' guilty verdicts annulled.
Watch, and learn.
Yes let's watch and learn. At the moment AV is getting support from many corners because he is fighting his charges and not fleeing the country. People tend to sympathize with the underdog...
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The worst thing that could happen to PT is if AV goes to jail. His awkward, unlikeable demeanour and complete lack of ability to relate to the lower classes is one of the main reasons the Dems are perennial losers. PT should be fighting tooth & nail to keep him out of jail.
PT made a huge error (assuming they can control DSI
). Now AV is playing the role of the victim in front of the international press and at the same time is blaming Thaksin for all this injustice. The moment the Dems have been waiting for. And trust me that they will rub it in. Expect non-stop interviews, just as Thaksin was doing.Going after AV and Suthep is a desperate and stupid move.
(And......if AV would also have billions (stolen from the hard-working Thai taxpayers) hidden in offshore bank accounts, the lower classes would also relate to him).
Unfortunately the people want someone to be found accountable for the deaths in 2010. PT have to show their supporters that they aren't abandoning them now they are in power. I very much doubt this move is A. expected to result in a guilty verdict or B. meant to remove AV and Suthep from the political arena. It smacks of appeasing the reds, those that took to the streets and campaigned to have their voice heard, those that lost family members.
During the interview Abhisit kept harking back to the findings of the "independent" commission but with no acceptance of the fact that so many people struggle to see a commission set up by the Democrat Government to investigate the deaths of protesters under their watch as independent. I found the comment at the end of the interview about accepting any verdict, even the death penalty to be in very bad taste. When talking about an incident that claimed the lives of so many this show of mock bravado was misplaced; the protesters, bystanders and journalists that were shot in the streets had no choice but to accept their "sentence", they had no trial, no chance of appeal and no voice.
I think Abhisit knows full well he won't be sentenced to the death penalty even if found guilty, which let's face it is a very remote possibility and to make such comments shows a distinct lack of empathy with his own people. It was a very cheap and obvious shot across the bows of Thaksin when the situations are not really comparable. He would have gained far more credibility in my eyes if he had used the interview as a platform to express his deepest regret over the events of 2010 and acknowledge that the Thai people need some closure, some justice even if he feels that pointing the finger at him is misplaced.
The talk of amnesties to white wash crimes with no mention of the rewrites to the constitution that achieved remarkably similar aims for the Dems also came across as an incredibly cheap and hypocritical shot...
"Article 37 - The granting of amnesty to the junta for executing the coup"
"When talking about an incident that claimed the lives of so many this show of mock bravado was misplaced; the protesters, bystanders and journalists that were shot in the streets had no choice but to accept their "sentence", they had no trial, no chance of appeal and no voice."
You keep on mentioning this part. All I want to say is that they had a choice NOT to be there. Most were not just bystanders; they choose to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Election was ALREADY promised (before the whole thing really went out of control), and would happen within 6 months. I believe that most of us (and the international world) thought that was a fair solution out of the crisis. Unfortunately, A FEW didn’t accept that proposal and choose to keep on fighting. The famous clips where Nathawut and Arisman tell their followers to burn the city happened AFTER AV promised an election.
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The way to deal with this is to have the Taksin court cases investigated by an independant commission to see whether the correct legal processes and laws were followed.
Now there are people that say: Let Thaksin come back as a free man first and do all his cases again (that would take 10 years and during those 10 years he is a free man). Funny, that is exactly what Yingluck said to CNN the first day she took office: We have to look at my brothers’ cases again. Thaksin would then be innocent until proven guilty. Such a scenario would be the joke of the century.
Independent commission? In a country where EVERYTHIING is politicized? That is virtually impossible, and you know that. And if such a commission could ever be set up, 99% of all Thai politicians and officials would be guilty of any sort of crime.
In this perfectly legal (Thai) country who would be the government?
And do you honestly believe that Thaksin could be cleared of all the dozens of cases against him (by this independent commission)? The answer would (most probably) be no and therefore Thaksin is only interested in an amnesty. He will never come back before this amnesty is in place.
I just noticed that my post has little in common with the thread topic. The Mods are free to delete it.
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The worst thing that could happen to PT is if AV goes to jail. His awkward, unlikeable demeanour and complete lack of ability to relate to the lower classes is one of the main reasons the Dems are perennial losers. PT should be fighting tooth & nail to keep him out of jail.
PT made a huge error (assuming they can control DSI
). Now AV is playing the role of the victim in front of the international press and at the same time is blaming Thaksin for all this injustice. The moment the Dems have been waiting for. And trust me that they will rub it in. Expect non-stop interviews, just as Thaksin was doing.Going after AV and Suthep is a desperate and stupid move.
(And......if AV would also have billions (stolen from the hard-working Thai taxpayers) hidden in offshore bank accounts, the lower classes would also relate to him).
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Why do red shirts always need to be told not to protest?
Or,
Why do they always have to tell the red shirts when to protest?
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Why they never mention the real reason they want to amend the constitution?
Haven't we learned from Egypt that you cannot just amend the constitution?
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I wonder why a certain person whose name begins with a T and lives in Dubai has not been charged with murder over the war on drugs, and the 2 incidents in the South where scores were killed
If they would become a signatory to the ICC Mr. T would be charged. They know that.
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There might be no other alternative. Oh yes there is, leave the charter alone because nobody (besides some hungry politicians) understands what is wrong with it anyhow. Life can be simple.
so you think for example that the ability to ban a whole party for five years due to the actions of one is not something that should be looked at?
maybe something that shouldn't be left alone?
That one can be fixed easily. No need to rewrite the charter for that.
Next?
you said leave the charter alone, no one understands what is wrong with it or did i read that wrong? nope, i didn't.
you think they are going to change every single thing in the charter do you?
i suppose a charter drafted as a result of a military coup is preferable to someone such as yourself though... so the debate is pointless.
If you start by supposing that things would be preferable to me, yes a debate between you and me would be pointless.
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The Thai constitution/charter is like a white-board....so easily erased and temporarily rewritten (frequently).
you're right, i think even if it does pass through the legal channels, public referendum etc.. if it does benefit thaksin in any way, they can just 'coup' it out of existence with the roll of a few tanks and it's back to square one, or 2006 as i prefer to call it.
There might be no other alternative. Oh yes there is, leave the charter alone because nobody (besides some hungry politicians) understands what is wrong with it anyhow. Life can be simple.
so you think for example that the ability to ban a whole party for five years due to the actions of one is not something that should be looked at?
maybe something that shouldn't be left alone?
That one can be fixed easily. No need to rewrite the charter for that.
Next?
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"I didn't know what to do as it had already happened. The public will judge whether it's right or wrong," she said.
The Public......yep much better than relying on those pesky "Laws".
Would you please be so kind as to specify which laws should have been applied to preclude the beloved former PM from appearing.
Although the channel may be state sponsored, I take solace in knowing that the government did not engage in censorship.
Aren't you in favour of the government not meddling in programming decisions?
You really don't know what is right and what is wrong. Or you don't want to know. I hope (for you) the last.
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because the author believes, that charges are mumbo jumbo, make everybody happy and let the International Criminal Court to make a judgement.
If that were to happen, the military would have to answer for the treatment of the Rohingya. The allegations over cross border human trafficing could also end up at the ICC.
So we all agree that Thailand should become a signatory to the ICC. So what is this government waiting for? I would like to know.
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The Thai constitution/charter is like a white-board....so easily erased and temporarily rewritten (frequently).
you're right, i think even if it does pass through the legal channels, public referendum etc.. if it does benefit thaksin in any way, they can just 'coup' it out of existence with the roll of a few tanks and it's back to square one, or 2006 as i prefer to call it.
There might be no other alternative. Oh yes there is, leave the charter alone because nobody (besides some hungry politicians) understands what is wrong with it anyhow. Life can be simple.
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You beat me to it again.ummmm, excessive sugar maybe?
Yes to much sugar and it also helps to keep them away from Coca Cola etc.
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What a game!
The government tells (fools) the reds into believing that they want ICC to investigate 2010. The ICC presumably was pulled so far into the game that they told Thailand to either become a signatory or stop wasting their time. The government which is run by cowards and liars will never become a full signatory.
So what to do next?
Find a Mickey Mouse department (DSI) to trump up murder charges against AV and Suthep. This keeps the reds occupied for a while and at the same time gives a sign to the ICC that they are not "needed" anymore because an internal "investigation" has started.
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What do you do when charges are made against you?
2 examples:
-Abhisit acknowledges the charges and fights them in a Thai court.
-Thaksin flees the country, hires a PR machine to tell the world all charges are politically motivated, starts a violent movement, intimidates judges and tries to whitewash himself.
Have a nice and peaceful weekend folks!
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Didnt I hear a few days ago after mobilising 50,000 cops in full riot gear against a rally that threatened no one and if I understand correctly had permits to gather, the present PM saying that it was the Govts job to maintain law and order.
Yes I did, but it seems it was not the job of the previous Govt to do the same thing against a mob of rioters who had done so much damage and threatened so much more.
In 2010 the police vanished when the Reds arrived. There was no law (enforcement) and order in Bangkok for weeks (months) during the protest period. A big difference from what we saw 2 weeks ago, over a hundred arrests with 2 hours!!
If the police would have done their job, the army didn't have to clean it up. Problem with the Thai police force is that they are corrupt as hell, hence the close relationship with the criminal fugitive Thaksin.
Thaksin was ready to sacrifice his beloved reds in order to tell the world “The trigger happy Thai army kills innocent people”. A truly sick game. Please be reminded that the government at that time had already promised elections within 6 months. At first everybody seemed to like it until Thaksin said NO (in fact his workers, the Red shirt leaders at that time rejected the proposal). That’s when the situation went out of control. Thaksin and the rest of his Shin clan will have to pay for this (one day). In fact, I believe they are already paying for it. I can’t imagine anybody in the Shin clan to have a happy life. Not now and not in the future.
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Once again , don't forget the Temple murder ! and how given order to.open fire !? How was responsible !? for death of 91 people's !?
Once again, out of 91, 20 were officials. A truly fascinating number.
is it ok to shoot the nurse for revenge?
I didn't know it happened but those things are not ok.
Maybe you are confused with invading a hospital? Hence the nurse story..
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Once again , don't forget the Temple murder ! and how given order to.open fire !? How was responsible !? for death of 91 people's !?
Once again, out of 91, 20 were officials. A truly fascinating number.
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unless he pulled the trigger he didn't murder anyone - rediculous
If a Thai soldier on the ground was trigger happy and there's evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that he killed an inocent taxi driver then he should be brought to court to answer the allegations
only in Thailand
I suspect Adolf Hitler never pulled a trigger either, but he was certainly guilty of crimes against humanity.
Wrong! Hitler did pull the trigger now and then.
Now and then? Can you give me some historical time and name of who he shot please? Or are you telling porkies?
You never saw him carry a gun?
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He insisted his office has taken legal action on both sides of the 2010 violence as it has filed charges against 295 red supporters. The charges against Abhisit and Suthep are the first on the government’s side, he said.
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bout time
I think the big question is: "How many charges were filed on the "red" side after PT took office"?
Read the post you replied to, you might well find the answer to your question!!!!!!!!!!!
Meaning, DSI is not operating independently !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He insisted his office has taken legal action on both sides of the 2010 violence as it has filed charges against 295 red supporters. The charges against Abhisit and Suthep are the first on the government’s side, he said.
2 to 295
bout time
I think the big question is: "How many charges were filed on the "red" side after PT took office"?
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Like I said numerous times, it’s handy to have the DSI on your payroll.
Just a pity that the DSI isn't interested in investigating the biggest corruption case in Thai history: the rice scam (or any other cases related to THIS government). A truly Special Department.
(And we all know this is done by the DSI (Tharit) to help Thaksin. Soon Thaksin will start his amnesty for all again, hoping that Abhisit will agree to it when under pressure with murder charges)
Yes, all this for one man: THAKSIN.
the dsi is on whose payroll?
Thaksin's
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Wonder if the courts will make charges against Jatupon and the others as their red shirts killed Army personnel. Doubt it very much.
Think the outside world is laughing at Thailand again
How is that? Abhisit was the leader when some of the most oppressive censorship, brutal crackdowns and harshest sentences anywhere in the world were carried out under his leadership. Only fitting he is held responsible.
He may be considering using his British passport soon
I think that you don't get out much! I lived in BKK at the time and thought that Abhisit's flaw was not breaking the demonstration up earlier. That was NOT a brutal crackdown. Check the news and history for brutal. I would say that it is inevitable that there are casualties when both sides are armed (or even if only one side is armed). It was UNFORTUNATE and SAD that anyone died, both on the side of the demonstrators and the government. I must say though that I miss the sight and sound of people gathered around burning mounds of tires in the middle of intersections.
NOT brutal at all, the soldiers even displayed a warning sign in advance.
After 15 officials were killed the authorities finally put up a sign to try to prevent more people from being killed
Thanks for sharing this picture.
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Tarit said Abhisit as the prime minister and Suthep as the director of the then Centre for Resolution of the Emergency, must be held responsible for the death of Phan Khamkong, a red taxi driver, who the court said was killed by security troops. The shooter was not identified.
The shooter was not even identified and they want to indict Abhisit and Suthep for murder. The mind boggles.
Based on a few testimonies from some Red shirts who said they had witnessed the shooting the former PM of a country is facing criminal charges…
Thaksin and Tarit are truly desperate; they really don't know what to do anymore.
). Now AV is playing the role of the victim in front of the international press and at the same time is blaming Thaksin for all this injustice. The moment the Dems have been waiting for. And trust me that they will rub it in. Expect non-stop interviews, just as Thaksin was doing.
Abhisit: I Will Fight Charge, Accept Any Outcome
in Thailand News Headlines
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Correct.
And where are the rights of the normal hard working citizens who wanted to continue with their lives? For some posters here the Red shirts are above the law. As you can see from Ferangled post, they have ALL the rights. Millions of people where living in fear for months, those seem to have no rights. Some posters even never mention those people. Unbelievable!