BigStar

Seems to be confusion here between HIT and HIIT. Here are the commonly accepted definitions: https://www.theperfectworkout.com/high-intensity-training/

Good straw man, but the point of my original post, in response to a false assertion, was that the ranges of healthy blood pressure are the same irrespective of age. I didn't address causes, treatment, or consequences. Treatment is between doc and patient. Causes may vary but many are common. The consequences of high blood pressure are fairly predictable; and that's why you and millions of others take their meds. Now if you wanna expound about causes, treatment, and consequences, and talk about yourself, be my guest. If someone wishes to ignore the science and redefine healthy blood pressure for themselves as 140 and ignore it, up to them. Why should I care? Nor did I suggest that I do. You don't have a point.

Well, you're addicted and dependent already. Best thing to do, unpleasant as it will be, is to taper off the benzo and quit. Start over w/ other methods as suggested here.

Please recount the event when you, or anyone, were "preyed upon" by Immigration police demanding to see your passport and suggesting a bribe for not producing it on the spot so that you wouldn't be detained merely for not carrying it on your person. That was your assertion as to what the police were doing the other night. But you don't know of any such event. A credible witness reported no such extortion or even that tourists needed to carry their passports at all. So deflecting to your blah blah doesn't mean that your claim has any merit whatsoever. Actually, it was merely an attempt to spread FUD and pretend superior knowledge, contradicted by the report. Now, spreading FUD on the forum isn't against the rules here in general, but can be in the specific. But neither is calling out the spreading of FUD and laughing at it, as I've enjoyed doing. And we're not disagreeing. We both agree you have no evidence whatsoever to support your specific accusation and were therefore just blowing. Good 'nuff. Suggest we move on unless you need to bicker more and need help getting out of the loop.

Excellent point. While driving a motorbike, one shouldn't neglect to monitor the road ahead for any of countless obstacles, potholes, debris, dogs, poles, construction, parked cars, doors opening into your lane, etc. Still, the operations of Fate, very much respected here on our forum, can't be discounted. A few years ago, an old girlfriend of mine was driving upcountry on a totally deserted two-lane road. Daytime, clear visibility. In the distance, another bike approached in the other lane from the opposite direction. Moderate speed, not driven erratically, all normal. As it approached my girl's bike, it suddenly, for no reason at all, kamikaze-like, crossed over and crashed right into her, knocking her over, damaging her bike and injuring her. It was driven by an old man who happened to fall asleep at just the right moment.

@save the frogsshould clarify what he meant exactly, though he himself may be a little confused.

No, as shown in this thread as well as countless others, what the science says does matter in individual situations, as rational individuals know well. And so an elderly person may well value his remaining time even more than someone younger. Having even less of something precious typically does. But that's just you, and it appears you took your pills as recommended. You may stop if you wish. Irrelevant to some other elderly person's similar decision to prolong his own life, even enhance its quality, for the limited time available to him. I presently know a couple of guys in their 80s going through considerable ordeals--far more than just taking BP medicine--for exactly that reason.

Nor did they need to, and then they were told what's going on. Yet all tourist advisories for visiting Thailand mention something about the need to carry ID. Which is common sense anyway. Your point was this: police But you see the relevance of this point assertion, given that Adam adduced no evidence of any tourist "preyed" upon, isn't really clear to those not in the know, blind as bats, leading sheltered lives, blah blah. Oh. And what did they do to these "hapless tourists?" False comparison for obvious reasons. And then an example of the Complex Question fallacy, as you haven't shown any "preying."

And so do the tourists, as police said they didn't. Nor did they need to, according to a reporter on the scene. I didn't disagree, and it's you who are worked up, resorting to casting personal aspersions already.???? I suppose that if you know 'cause you know, the impertinence of the question of how you know in this particular instance--contrary to credible evidence--must be upsetting. My sympathies.

Yup. You know cause you know. Heh. We need to give you a lot more respect around here. 'Course, I've lived here longer than you have, and don't recall any instances of police extorting people for not carrying their passports. And here we have our man Adam right there on the scene as witness, reporting that the police said the tourists needn't be carrying their passports. Do you also know whether he's been, like, intimidated into silence or filing a false report?

What evidence is there that the police are preying upon any drinkers and so diminishing their benevolent contributions to the local community?

The report specifically says the tourists don't need to be carrying their actual passports. Might be best all round, given you can find only 3 pockets. But if you have a caregiver, perhaps he/she would have an extra pocket in which to bring along the passport you imagine you need.

What did the statement say? Both cases would need meds, or a change of lifestyle, to bring the numbers into normal range. The 85 year old doesn't get a free pass. But he's probably let himself go so many years already that I'd question how much lifestyle change alone--to the extent achievable--could help. Some, perhaps, depending on his condition. He'd probably just add meds to his current stack. A study of interest: The researchers concluded that, for adults aged 80 years or older, intensively controlling systolic blood pressure to less than 120 mmHg lowers the risk of heart attacks, stroke, death, and mild cognitive impairment, but increases the risk of declines in kidney function. [most got the kidney issue under control] --Blood Pressure Control for People Aged 80 and Older: What’s the Right Target?

Sounds like someone could successfully start up a farang charm school to help achieve these better prices for its graduates. The discounts from the docs would soon recover the tuition, except of course in those utterly hopeless cases.

When will they ever learn?

Ubuntu isn't a DE, actually, If the default Gnome isn't your fave (it isn't mine, actually, though I respect it), you can easily install another or choose one of the Ubuntu spins or flavors. You'll be gratified to know that Ubuntu is abandoning Snap: Enough of it! Ubuntu to Ditch Snap Completely With 24.04 LTS Naughty Nightingale It's not backing down on eschewing Flatpak for now. Of course, it's easy enough to install Flatpak anyway. I'd imagine Ubuntu will eventually follow the tide and include it by default. Far as using Ubuntu, w/o going into great detail, I prefer some features of Fedora and OpenSUSE TW. In the latter, I love the rolling release aspect and Btrfs rollback.

The Linux DEs take the classic paradigm to a whole new level. Easy access to everything, beautiful, configurable in ways inconceivable in Windows. Configurability is in general one of the features of Linux often cited by Linux users as most desirable. 'Course, that can get pretty geeky. Always a pleasure going into any of them, Cinnamon, Mate, Xfce, KDE. Currently enjoying Xfce on Fedora (laptop), KDE on OpenSUSE TW (spare).

I'm quite capable of dealing with the "complexity" of Win 10, but I prefer the W7 menu. It's a lot more convenient out of the box what with flyouts etc. By spending the necessary time and tedium, you can of course civilize the Win 10 Start menu to get out of the type/search/scroll loops to find something, but why bother, unless you just have nothing else to do?

As is consistent with my point. Otherwise, chronic complainers about everything have always infested this forum. A few years ago, the brilliant JSixpack collected maybe a hundred of the usual whinges here: The Hit and Run Pattaya "whinge" Thread. ANOTHER pothole targeted at farangs? Thais! How much more???

Quite simply, those paying for an agent will ever try to justify their need to do so.

Projection on your part. Brit? Not everyone here is a bigot. Amazingly. Stood in a queue with them a few evenings ago at a local Tops and all were perfectly well-behaved, including some cute kids. Meanwhile, there's this: British tourist smashes up Bangkok 7-Eleven (video) I'm looking forward to some good visuals during my walk on the beach a few hours from now. Russian hotties in thongs, VERY nice.

The cut-off point for diagnosing high blood pressure does not change with age. --https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-is-the-average-blood-pressure-by-age-chart-and-more#blood-pressure-definition

Cutting out carbs means what is says. You either cut them or you don't. No low carb authority ever recommends cutting them out, so then whom are you arguing against? Reducing means something else yet again. That study refers only to current runners, not those already suffering knee, hip, ankle, and back pain, so a survivorship bias. Of course many with healthy joints that can tolerate running longer distances. Yet as one doc says, If there is a subset of people who have joints that are negatively affected by running, they wouldn't likely be registering for a marathon. If you read the underlying study, of the 3,804 surveyed, 1,892 reported a previous hip or knee injury, and 413 had underwent knee or hip surgery. Overall, 36.4% reported experiencing hip or knee pain in the past year and 7.3% had been diagnosed with arthritis. So one may give it a try for himself and see how it goes. Small imbalances, misalignment, and instability, if they exist, create chronic issues. As one orthopedist says, Osteoarthritis is not caused by normal wear-and-tear, it's caused by chronic joint instability which results in abnormal stress on the cartilage. If you have chronic joint instability, you are at high risk of developing osteoarthritis, and running can speed up the process. Having run marathons myself, known a lot of runners, and done quite a lot of reading over the years, I don't really recommend much running or even a lot of what's popularly called "cardio," after Ken Cooper. (Unless that's all you've got.) As Dr. Doug McGuff says, Cooper believed (falsely, as it happens) that the aerobic subsection of metabolism was the most important—more important, in fact, than the totality of metabolic pathways that contribute to human functioning and health. He maintained that this one subsegment of metabolism could and should be isolated and trained. His belief in this regard has since been shown to be without foundation. So then, having read Cooper et. al., I've finally come to agree that overall muscle training for functional fitness (not bodybuilding) is the better way to go. Safer, faster, more efficient, more useful--if done right. McGuff continues, The center of metabolic health, then, is not the heart and cardiovascular system; it is the muscular system. That’s where the enzymatic activity takes place, and it takes place by means of an amplification cascade, so that when you activate the cause, the effect is much greater at the muscular level. It’s in muscle where all the “gold” that can be panned from exercise is found. --Body By Science So my nod to "cardio" nowadays merely involves sprint intervals on a recumbent bike for a total intensity of 3 min a week. Could be excessive, but works verifiably well as predicted by Martin Gibala's classic study: Twelve Weeks of Sprint Interval Training Improves Indices of Cardiometabolic Health Similar to Traditional Endurance Training despite a Five-Fold Lower Exercise Volume and Time Commitment Been more research verifying his conclusions. He has a book out, if interested. Meanwhile, you mostly ignored my questions raised by your post, so you're not really discussing in good faith, not suprisingly. Same implications get the same response, of course. And I did merely say, "most." ???? No nonsense, supported by long threads full of good, besotted, classic ANF Longevity Research such as Throwing caution to the wind and b u g g e r the diet – How about you and Exercise is everything. Gold mines, those two. And normally, except for the genetically gifted, when you get older you basically have only two choices: healthy lifestyle or medication. Listen, but verify. Now, it is a (cough) fact that your body may not be an unbiased advocate regarding your diet and exercise, as is illustrated on the streets daily. Throughout all these years, mine has always told me do something other than exercise, for example. It's always been an effort. But that's an affirmation, in an unintuitive sort of way. As P. D. Mangan says, Anticipating doing my workouts evokes some dread in me, and I want to keep it that way.

Then you'll need to start taking McDougall w/ a pinch of salt as well. Looks senile and decayed.

Pro tip: don't go on busy days. Or carry a brollie (none seem to have sense to do that), bush hat, water, and a portable seat. Here's one at Lazada modeled by an expat prone to chills: