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Sour grapes. And poor lady, having to prostitute herself to you. I find my gf quite attractive, BTW. I know how much you want the topic to be about me, but it's really about the OP. The idea of a real relationship does of course create chagrin after the vast sums you've expended on a rented wife, her daughter, and her house in the sticks she can kick you out of any time. Now I've recommended that if the OP wishes to follow your model, the Standard Model for the forum (lot of highly educated hod carriers here), he may PM you. What further compliment do you need? You got it down, man. :) I merely offer an alternative but unpalatable vision here of looking around for a middle class educated lady with a decent job he needn't pay and enjoy a traditional relationship based on love & friendship. We do have guys here who've done that and are happy. I know of a number of them myself. So, your problem with that idea is merely your problem. Why not just accept what you have bought for yourself, be happy, and not worry so much about what other people have and the way they choose to live their lives?

Yawn. I've given her age previously, no big secret here, and also none of your business. I've also noted the irrelevance of your precious age gaps. More and more I think your diet is contributing to a growing dementia. We've been together so long merely out of love & friendship. We have a lot in common, notably an interest in health and fitness. WOT??? No "game" is being played; I have no assets she needs. Laughable assumption on your part that simply reflects your own ignorant, stereotypical, obsession.

Oh, you have no idea whether we've lived in a single room or not. I think you live in a fantasy world. I think we're done here. OP, you may or may not wish to take @BritManToo as your role model. If so, PM is available for personal counseling, seances, and health advice, like: don't do checkups, leave it all up to the genes.

WOT??? Married??? And she can kick you out? You should know better'n that. Giving a rented Thai woman some legal rights. Rather goes against the rental-only concept. My condo, nobody's gon' kick me out. Older building, maxed out for decades. Always a few for sale, but the only way most farang leave here is in a hearse. Me & the gf been together more than 20 years. She's always worked and had her own money. And, to address your nonsense above, when she got her degree in English from Ramkaemhaeng, she didn't bribe anybody, didn't cheat on anything (she wouldn't anyway), and worked really hard. She did well and learned quite a lot. Her English is better than that you'll hear from most Brits in Thailand, what with the dialects.

Forgot to ask you more about that coming Zombie world takeover you believe in. When does it begin? What about the Zombie dietary habits? Fascinating subject. Need to work it in the OP's quest, however. Zombie women in Jomtien?

But her kid is her kid. You're just renting, unmarried, and paying for sex, knowing Thai people so well, and wisely economizing. She don't like it, she can leave, right? So what. Or is that just self-delusion. That's how to do it, good model for our noobs. We haven't seen the figures yet. <irrelevance snipped>

Forgot how much you're paying for your rented wife. Plus, I don't think you've given us the figure for how much you spent schooling her daughter through uni, have you? Back to your rabbits.

Yes, you would think that. Plus, a UK hod carrier's manners are far better, his cultural sensitivity unmatched, his range of interests much wider, and, being from UK, his driving skills are superb. Next.

I don't know any 74-year-old here looking to "get" a much younger lady. If I hear of one, I'll refer him to your successful "getting" consulting service. Now the OP is in his 30s. IMO, he also doesn't need to "get" a much younger lady, no matter your panting about an 18-year-old. French Prez Macron went for one 24 years older. Been great. I once made the acquaintance once of a retired ex USA Air Force translator who in his early 50s had married a Chinese Thai business lady about 10 years older. Been a very happy, successful marriage. Last time I saw him was at a luncheon in a group in BKK. He was around 60 then and still besotted. I didn't care for him, personally. When I was leaving at the end, he had talked so much about his wife that I suggested he send her next time in his stead. I'd like to have met this extraordinary woman! They're still together, own a lot of property they've developed together; she's in her 80s now. So the OP, seeking a long-term relationship, commitment, marriage, the whole bit, had better be concerned mainly with stability and compatibility for the long haul. Sadly, I wasn't born with that Third Eye so many of our posters possess that communicates those Absolute Forum Truths, like all Thai women are prostitutes. So lacking, I always see lots of possibilities, and verified possibilities. Thais are all individuals and so are farang. Compatibility takes many forms. YES, some relationships with ex-bar girls have worked out well. The two best BJ artists (Ajarn Jane and her student, Oh) in a BJ bar on Soi 6 both married farangs who wanted the best BJs, frequently. Good for them. But I think starting a relationship based on P4P is less likely to be successful, from my own survey, having lived in Pattaya over 20 years. Chances are better, I think, outside the mizu shobai, or "water trade," as Japanese call it. That is, respectable, standard ol' job. Workers work longer hours and 6 days a week, oftentimes. That 6th day may be reserved for the family, friends, and *tamboon. You can live together near their job, or you can support them and maybe help them find another, better job. NO, that doesn't mean they're prostitutes. It means you aren't going to be a deadbeat. Maybe you're in love and want all their attention. So, as poster said above, office ladies have the best schedules. And you might have most in common with educated office ladies. They are most likely to be interested in seriously learning English. They may share your interests in movies, music, and other stuff. They aren't lazy and may be into fitness or could get into it. On the other hand, if you lack education yourself, can't learn to speak any Thai, suffer from bigotry and the chronic need to denigrate Thai culture, engage in constant mansplaining, are just an all-around boor, no matter your high opinion of yourself--then you won't get far with the nice office ladies. You know where your companionship lies, pun intended. Older middle-class ladies are accessible to old farang men 70 and up who have game. They're divorced, kids are working, they have houses, they have income. But even the older ones aren't gonna go for a retired hod carrier from Blackpool. No, they won't accept deadbeats and live with you at their own expense in your fan room on Soi Buakhao. That doesn't mean they are prostitutes.

No, not because she doesn't have to support him. I once heard a writer say that the average 13-year-old girl knows more about the game of love than the average adult male. Most here are totally clueless really. P4P is really the only way; no wonder they came to Thailand.

Nothing to do with your puzzlement, which I trust has been cleared up for you already. Now please read the 3rd post in the thread. The OP is in his 30s. Further, you haven't the slightest clue about how old the farangs were when met their middle class gf/wives. Finally, Thais are all individuals. Anyone ignorant enough to stereotype them, farang, or relationships is probably too ignorant and undesirable ever to charm a middle class Thai woman anyway regardless of his age. So young farang are also relegated to P4P.

I've said earlier in the thread that she works and has her own money, so I don't pay her anything. We exchange gifts. There's an age gap, but it is irrelevant and gets into the "pay for beauty" marketplace you're in. Having once married a fashion model who worked in New York, I can assure you that beauty per se, and esp. paying money for beauty, has little chance of promoting a stable, happy, long-term relationship.

No need to assume, as that's what they usually, or always, say. You haven't figured out anything. Nor do you need to know "as what." I don't recall your announcing "what" you work as, or did. Oh, that's where. And you know only poorer, lower class Thai ladies, as most here. Hence you thought you needed shrewdly to figure out for yourself that they must be working as "something." But some posters here, unbelievably, have middle class gfs from middle class families who support themselves, just as in your own benighted country. It's that simple. Moreover, back home middle class families may have emergencies. Those are understandble exceptions and don't fall into the category of paying the girlfriend a salary as you're trying to imply. In fact we're always hearing of Gofundme pleas here from Brit families. You've fallen for one of the canonical ANF Poster Known Truths that only farangs have money. There's a large Thai middle class, they have money, and they spend. Suck it up.

And the poster usually, if not always, says he does, so you haven't "figured out" anything. But why should you expect or need to know? Have you announced what you work "as," or did? And if you did know, then what?

No, even if it don't get worse. You ain't Rocky. No more jumping, sad to say. Good idea. There's a lot you can do to prevent and fix knee problems with strengthening, stretching, and massage. That's what I do, and I manage to do a lot despite all the wear & tear over many years. Bob & Brad, among others, on youtube have suggestions you might try. Forget it. Focus on strength training for functional fitness and keeping your cardiovascular system in good shape. Learn how to exercise w/o putting so much stress on your joints. A number of specific techniques work well for doing just that.

Which doesn't work well, as you're not satiated when you normally should be, owing to insulin resistance and the dysregulation of appetite. The point really is to keep eating until you're fat and diabetic, keeping the food industry, docs, and drug companies in business. A low carb diet does help ensure you stop eating when you should because you stay insulin sensitive. Hunger is then not a problem. And you yourself do in fact restrict calories when you become overweight by eating less carb-rich junk foods.

or 2 kg, let's not be too modest here. It's amazing how mine hardly varies. I think there may be something to body weight set point theory. If so, it's a mixed blessing, good in some cases (reset to a slim constant) or bad (keeps you fat even when you eat less). McDougall's diet seems to cause premature dementia, a first manifestation of which may be forgetting how to spell his name. But that family's fortune is built on their staying slim. Now you can stay slim on any diet if you restrict calories sufficiently. The Auschwitz survivors hadn't had much exercise. But, as you've been informed several times, being slim doesn't guarantee you're healthy or have no underlying issues. Or just exercise a lot less. :)

This. More than likely it'll resolve itself. You might also consult a physical therapist.

Fair point, but our mainly Brit membership wouldn't tolerate seeing one o' the beloved lads "brutalized" in such a fashion. The usual rants about racism, xenophobia, double standards, bad policing etc would consume pages. That said, he was almost certainly just a laughable, harmless, drunken old fool.

But a lot went unmentioned. @scubascuba3 does quite a lot of exercise, 400 km a week of bicycling (am I remembering correctly?), supposedly 10k km a year around the outskirts of Pattaya, works out in gym as well. So, burns off a lot of the glucose. Still, suffers insulin drops after spikes and needs to eat again. When he finds himself gaining weight, as he inevitably does, he cuts calories (mostly carbs) to get back to a healthy weight. Evidently hasn't checked his visceral fat, had a CAC scan or an OGTT (oral glucose tolerance test). And, evidently a trust fund beneficiary, is a lot younger than most members here. Getting regular checkups is critical, however. @save the frogs definitely should do that.

For ordinary mortals, yes. I'm too lazy myself, but of course I agree, as would the many serious foodies we seem to have among our members.

Thank you. Makro has the 1 kg bags! :) Mulberries > strawberries

YES. Great day to be in Pattaya!

Peanuts or almonds I roast myself. A square of Lindt 85% chocolate. A few raisins. Natural Greek yoghurt. Plain DIY protein shake.