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I got mine mail forwarded from USA for 11 000 baht all included. Its better than I hoped- really liking it.

Its pretty much died already I think. When you have companies like pepsi making adverts out of it you know its lost its spark.

Upon researching it further, I have found who this is harming.

Bunch of spoilsport killjoy grumps! Who is it harming?

Love this meme..

What a bunch of amateur psychologist nonsense!

Of course, should do this in any country. Although in Thailand, giving up seats for young children is as important in the thai mindset.

The striking thing about this woman's opinions to me, is that she comes across as very forward thinking, certainly not in some way an advocate of traditional values. You might find it curious sbk, but no worries.

Hah!

And Sheryl, you and I had such a nice exchange in that clinic thread last year. Really no opinion on it? I know you've stated as much twice now..

I suppose, thaivisa is not the most friendly place to discuss such ideas, especially if you are female. I do understand!

thankyou, Rene123. A valuable contribution.

that said, to do it with strangers is pretty wank, especially if they cannot speak thai.

+1 for "pretty wank" nakaaaapom.

Thanks for this, Will! Interesting your explanation, but I have to admit I'm slightly puzzled (as well as intrigued).

If this is the case, what is her conclusion as to whether the desire to protect women would be the ultimate objectification of women? Yet regardless of her conclusion, such a question would not point us to what power relations are supposed to be out of balance, except that in an unlikely event women are supposedly the ones rescued. If this not about oppression or being disadvantaged what kind of feminist concerns does girlwriteswhat than raise?

I'm by no means her mouthpiece but from what I can tell of her video, her conclusion is that feminism has entirely failed to change the idea of "women and children first" which she argued feminists do not favour (objectification). She also seems to conclude, for additional reasons, that feminism has helped to solidify this idea that all of society, including men, have agreed to always put men, men's feelings, men's desires, men's welfare, in last place behind women and children (i.e. anyone who is not a man goes before men in the order). "Society expects men to place themselves last and this has not changed". She talks about lifeboats and burning buildings.

She also argues that men are reduced from 'human beings' to 'human doings' by society, whereas women have an in-built value (the womb, still powerful evolutionary speaking) men do not, and so society looks at how useful an individual man is to the community at large.

She argues against the feminist idea that women are viewed as less valuable and the male sex preferred, saying that it's the opposite- 2:50 - 3:42.

edit: I don't think girlwriteswhat would object to being called an anti-misandrist

In that section Morakot, she seems to be arguing against the feminist argument that the desire of men and "male-dominated society" to protect women is the ultimate form of objectification. She says "the most advanced societies are those that have made a balance between the desire to protect women and children and also provide them with freedoms". The point about backward societies that exist today is a concession she makes to those who would say "but not in all/any cases does this desire to protect women help advance society". But I think I agree that in the stone age the desire to protect women was fundamental, especially if one considers a small group of humans living in a cave.

She and the feminist argument she is tackling both agree that there exists this natural instinct (or that the effect of such an instinct exists, whether borne of instinct or otherwise) to protect or restrict women (protection and restriction, restriction and protection) but while the feminist argument says this is a bad thing, that it objectifies women and is just one of many vicissitudes to have befallen women thanks to men, she argues that our advanced societies owe much of our advancement to it, but only where it is metered and well balanced by not too many restrictions unlike such societies that restrict their women heavily (she says we could bomb them to the stone age and it would be 'an improvement', which I also agree with, although I would not want any bombing).

I think you are quite right, that a multitude of issues come together to form such opression and that it is too simplistic to consider only protection of women. However, I think we should not make too much of this, else we risk creating a strawman argument. The question she discusses is not, after all, "what causes opression", but rather whether or not the desire to protect women is the ultimate objectification of women (and therefore, bad.)

It would be nice to see if we can stick to the points raised in the video by its creator "girlwriteswhat", rather than another thread about sexpats in Thailand, although of course there must be some crossover.

Obviously there are many points raised, but if you would like to comment on one, please explain it clearly so we all know which part of the video you are talking about. Maybe we can use time indicators like 1:43 to 2:30 mins.

Oddly, i have become one of the world's experts on this topic area.

I have ended up published in a peer-reviewed journal on the rise of the shaming of men to man-up and marry. I have analysed the extraordinary growth in the 'manosphere' on the internet (google it) and looked at the desperate situation for female graduates in the anglo-saxon settler states.

The dominant framing in a death spiral of silence remains oblique on the obvious point of marriage: it is a cartel on the access to sex. The intellectual gymnastics required to come up with other stories won't change this core point.

Thailand is part of the cartel-breaching process of globalization. Men can do travel to break the cartel that hinders male desire.

Obviously this is far more nuanced and complicated than I've written, but once my article is on Google scholar you can read all about the complex confluences of factors that mean Anglo-saxon settler state women can't find men to marry.

Please could you share the title.

This is a vlogger I am enjoying discussing the content of, on this issue, incidentally:

Right. Well, nevermind then.

umm it is a single persons view on it. why, because I have a vagina, do I need to have an opinion on it?

Many congratulations, Boo.

And I quite agree that you are under no obligation to hold an opinion on it, but I would be interested to hear from any women here who do. This is not a set up.

I would be interested to hear what the well-travelled ladies here think about the content of this video:

I don't want to start a flame war which I know is likely. I hope we can avoid replies emotionally slagging off people, feminism in general or anything vitriolic.

Im sure there was a thread about this concept of the "disposable male" here on thaivisa recently.. but I couldn't find it?

Bigots aside, so you would not agree with submaniac's summary of the situation, LaraC?

Some incredible generalisations going on in this thread.

As you said it is fear of the unknown. What one does not understand, one generally fears.

In my house which was much bigger I used to pay 300 baht per visit, and she would come a few times a month. Now I am in a condo and they want to charge 1000 for cleaning and dishes for a few hours. Its definitely the most expensive I have experienced yet. In my previous condo I had 800 baht per month for laundry and the same girl would clean for 600 baht per week (once per week).

regarding bonus I guess if you have enjoyed the service and like her, and after a year, I would give a few thousand at thai new year or whatever. Same with security guards. Find one of those red chinese looking envelopes to put the money in, seems to be appreciated.

I remember a thread on this but when I searched, I could not find it, so possibly I am remembering wrong.

For those of you who live in a condominium or apartment, how much do you pay (if you do pay) for the maids in the building (or externally from elsewhere) to come and clean your place?

By clean your place I mean, clean it, do the dishes, maybe even do your laundry (although this might be unusual).

Some maids will go through drawers and clean/organise things, some will just do surfaces.. it varies obviously. But I have lived in many buildings and I have found the price fluctuates hugely.

I would be interested in getting a sense of average. Do you pay per time? per week? per month? How many times are included? etc..

Boring but potentially practical thread.

Of course, but hes obviously drunk. Wild guess is they were flashing at him with their headlights.

Had a girlfriend once who would come out in a rash like hives about 48 hours before any serious change in weather. Worked like clockwork. Poor girl found it very itchy. Neck, back, rear, arms.