OxfordWill

re: millionnaires in singapore- I think its is per household. So 1 in every 6 households, not 1 in every 6 people. Bear in mind, in great parts of the city, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8+ live in one tiny flat.

Seems like this is going to be 8am Thai time.

Anyone know any bar that might be showing it..

Cheers

I'm not a BC expert.

Without the details you could go USbank > cash > trusted friends/family account? > Bitcoin exchange in Japan > credit to exchange account > buy coins > sell coins > withdraw to offshore.

You could add extra steps of course but that is the basics I guess. You were vague and ambiguous so I assumed some things.

Ready to be corrected?

Hi Henry,

It is disrespectful that you have come all the way to their country, chosen one of their women to marry, lived here 5 years and yet do not speak their language. I find it absolutely unsurprising that they struggle to see you as a real individual. After all, you are just like the tourists- illiterate, unaware of what is being said around you and in a real emergency- probably as useful as a teapot.

Best,

Will

Right, I see your point. But, I still don't see your point. Not to say anything of what one ought or ought not do, I do not see how they could enforce such a law should it exist.

I imagine for now they are a property like anything else- such as selling a book or teacup. I have no clue, though.

In my experience: They typically do not charge for one day overstay. I.e. overstay fines typically begin at 24 hours and 1 second. Given your history, I wouldn't want to risk it, but an hours overstay and 500 baht already in hand + a smile would likely ensure no hassle and probably no fine.

Been reading this thread with interest and would like to jump in and ask if anyone here knows whether purchasing Bitcoins in Thailand is subject to local exchange control regulations.

There is no "purchasing bitcoins in Thailand" to worry about. Bitcoins are purchased online (or between individuals) completely separately to any government body of any kind.

I had some really very good Farang coders on certain projects- and got them at great prices thanks to them living here. But like you I have had really tough times finding Thais, and where I did find really strong cadidates, they demanded a western salary.

Why would it be more honest there Oxfordwill? Its as speculative as crap, created by someone with an internet meme who doesn't reveal their identity, and backed by an algorithm rather than the institutions of a democratically elected government.

Again, which part of my post wreaks of 'I just don't get it'?

I'd rather buy a bar in Pattaya and staff it with alcoholics and gamblers.

But why not do both? You could even charge them bitcoins for the chang!

The bit you don't get is that regardless of the theory this is a working currency. Will it work forever? I dont know. Will the dollar? I dont know. It's working now and has done for quite a while. That right there is the end of the argument as to if it is just for "nerds, stupid and easily led people (led into what by the way?)."

Ahh, the good old thread that praises the lack of basic standards and enforcement of some simple regulations Some love it. Well, if I was 60 and in the waning days of my life, I might have the perspective of not caring either. However, for those that value their lives and those of their families and friends, I say phooie. In Thailand,the lack of standards and enforcement impacts our lives on a daily basis. Well water is regularly poisoned because there is no enforcement of basic environmental protection laws. Most well water users are oblivious to the presence of aromatic hydrocarbons and heavy metals that have entered the water table. Those that dump, can do so with no worries as enforced cleanups let alone local authorities concern is non existant. It is inexcusable that the tap water in Thailand is not potable. Thailand has a decent water supply, yet it cannot deliver potable water to its inhabitants.It cannot even provide a secure reliable power grid. How can a country develop when it lacks basics such as this? Yes, there are wonderful aspects of Thailand, but there are wonderful aspects to western countries too. For all the people that grumble about the UK or Australia or USA, where would you rather deal with litigation? In the western court system, where there is some semblance of efficiency and judicial integrity or in Thailand, where it is no secret that foreigners feel thay are treated unfairly.

Sure, the property taxes are not there, but then you get filthy sois, no professional police, a limited fire service and marginal EMS access.

It's wonderful until your house catches fire or are injured. The 30 baht insurance plan is not of much use if you are in a rural area and need cancer care. It won't pay for the additional living expenses when you have to travel to Bangkok to obtain it. Nor does the 30 baht program cover all the extras that quickly add up. My friend is already out of pocket 150,000 for his cancer care despite his 30 baht access.

I suggest that if one wants a decent lifestyle and proper medical care, and to live in a secure clean environment, the costs will add up quickly and will approach the cost of living in some western countries. The most appropriate way of explaining this is the airplane model. Air Asia offers relatively cheap flights, but if you want to take baggage, to change your flight, a decent seat etc., you pay an extra charge. Western living is like flying TG. It's all in, and the service and equipment is creaky and old, but you have the security of knowing that if something happens TG will respond. TG still offers a meal on its short flights, the FAs might not be young and attractive like on FD, but there is a sense of security when flying on TG.

I have no problem with my home country and cannot see myself as renouncing my citizenship or even changing my legal status, just to avoid taxes. I am fortunate to maintain a legal residence that allows me many priviliges and rights that I could never have in Thailand. That doesn't mean I am bashing Thailand. I like Thailand too. The people, the food, and the climate (at times). I am fortunate enough to have a decent income (for now) so that I don't have to worry about taxation or lifestyle options. I suppose when I am terminated or retire or burn out, then my perspective will change.

A very confused account of things. Are you talking about what is best for the local Thais, or whether or not there are (dis)advantages for westerners living here?

As you know, mixing both would be a poisoning of the well.

Er, no. If you tell me of your own volition that you are in the same industry as I am, then don't be surprised when I ask you a bit more about it. If you want to keep your l33t h4x0r skills a secret then simply don't bring them up to begin with.

If you find another person doing the same job as you then there may be opportunity for at least friendship and at most, profit. Not following that possibility up is a mistake. That is what is to be gained.

So let me get this bitcoin thing straight. A bit coin is:

- a medium of payment which requires a computer to buy and sell

- it takes 10 minutes to facilitate a trade

- to 'earn' a bit coin (other than having to buy one) rather than getting one of a product of our own labours (ie something we are good at, whether you are a butcher, baker or offshore driller) you have to again log on and compete against some algorithm which some MIT PhD has scammed anyway.

- you have no broader reference point as to the value of the bit coin, whether it is the underlying functioning of the economy of the government - or in this case - the non government.

Yep, a speculation tool for nerds, the stupid, or the easily led.

breathtaking. Please try "I dont get this at all, so I'm not going to get involved". That would be more honest.

okay, i have to admit there is some truth in this post - and is subject to more than 1 interpretation.

1. Too many tourists out here claiming to be IT experts, but basically trying to get the job done by googling + using half-knowledge ?? YES

Recently , i came across a property developer who had intentions of getting his web site developed with a lot of business driven knowledge in it. The processes he designed were probably his own brainchild and could not be really accomplished using any standard off-the-shelf CMS. But again - a tourist IT expert quoted him under 1000 US for a job which was *supposed* to finish 2 months back. The guy's domain is still sitting without its website - and i am only guessing that the relationship has gone sour.

These so called IT experts spoil genuine market dynamics, leave the prospective clients hanging nowhere and at the end of the day its everybody's waste of time. I must also add - from a visa point of view - its illegal as well !

2. The same theory BTW also extends to thai graduates who are passing out with IT Degrees. I have come to an understanding now, that amongst these grads "passing" is enough ! Most CS grads show up with "websites" as their year-end / internship projects - which is a shocker for me ! But then, as long as they have good soft skills - they can be trained to generate output for genuine real-world projects.

Perhaps there are other members here who run software related / IT businesses and would share their experiences as well ...

Yes, the showing a web 1.0 website at interview! I think this reflects more poorly on the teaching than anything else. They have obviously been told to do this. I found kasetsart to be better.

It is as if they expect to be told how to code on the job. "What is your favourite IDE"? - a very tricky question and normally, they only know of one. know "OF". Not "understand", which would be OK.

Where is the out-of-class enthusiasm and exploration?

I found about 3 in as many hundred.

The only people who buy them are speculators that are hoping to get rich. I can't see how it would ever work as a real currency, as it's way too volatile.

I also disagree with your analysis that Europeans would prefer to put their money in bitcoins rather than European banks. They may get a haircut with Euro banks, but they could get a skinhead cut with bitcoins. I think you probably read this is the press and believed it. In fact, it was just speculators hyping up the price so that they could sell at a huge profit. Their plan worked perfectly.

Wrong. Real brick and mortar businesses trade using bitcoins.

bitcon...the next bubble ...

people are greedy and they are counting on this... what "internet" currency is suddenly worth 10x - 100x worth

not a bubble ?

good luck

Are you suggesting any form of currency that bubbles should be ignored? No, of course you're not.

Bottom line is, bitcoins make a lot of people uncomfortable, in the same way computers make a lot of people feel uncomfortable. This says nothing for or against their utility.

I also agree that the cash would be better, but if he is going to go the check route then lets not make it look like just a check.

Ive had a samurai short sword, knife, gun and machete pulled on me by taxi drivers over 10 years of being here. I always ask first because some of them are seriously dangerous people and it is hard to tell which before you get in and annoy them.

Sometimes, when I am drunk, I have dutch courage and just get in. Usually, I am lucky and they dont go mental and actually take me home. But my experiences are worth noting.

Obviously you have already considered moving to Bangkok? And changing your visa? You are letting yourself become a victim after resisting exactly that for such a long time. It's clear you don't want to live apart from your family. You are seeing no options but I promise there are many. By all means take a holiday back home and really think about it.

Put a very large, official looking stamp on a letter with bank letterhead that states something important sounding about money and commitment blah blah. Then stamp and get a regal looking signature over that letter (printed on embossed paper), the bank book, and the check, so they look "tied together". Maybe gold leaf around the edge of the letter, and the letter in a picture frame? Remember, it is all about APPEARANCE.

Happy marriage!

Apparently the are no Server domain controller admins on this thread. Apparently there is none who uses Active Directory to create groups and permissions, or to push software and rules. Maybe no one in this thread even knows what I'm talking about.

I certainly get that feeling.

I have used AD for a global company with 18 offices. I've used Samba for a local company with 3 offices. Not saying the two are equivalent. But it seems like we are talking about two things here. 1 is the web, and datacentres, and the other is companies/corportations. Or, serving versus sharing.

In both cases and both ways, it is not right to claim that because a single part of the whole does one job better, then that whole side is better than the other, or vice versa. Any IT setup that is worth anything at all is specifically responding to a certain set of needs. I think the OP meant "desktop" as in single user, at home, what will be used? Or, maybe he meant "offices". I think the two yield different conclusions, but not consistent ones, because offices have differing needs as do home users.

I believe him that he went around inside, but the thing about admins is debatable.

I know there are plenty of IT and web guys here, and no shortage of hackers, but the ratio of wannabe:genuine is quite high.

Ive met more than a few people who could be described as wishful thinkers, to the point where I generally avoid bothering to look for opportunity when I meet someone who claims to be doing online work of pretty much any description. It always sounds great to begin with, and then quickly unravels and "I'm a CEO of a web company" becomes "I bought a domain name and dont know what to do with it- any advice?"

An exception being the real tech types who are obviously the real deal or not within a minute of conversation. Then you get some who know the right company names or brands to drop but really can't take it any further than someone who had once read ycombinator for 5 minutes about a year ago.

What's the point? Why are they doing it.

Wisher: I'm a web developer

Me: Oh yea? That's great. What stuff are you into?

Wisher: Oh you know, developing the web.

Me: ... *orders a stronger drink*

I've met coders who don't know any code language. I've met sysadmins who don't know what systems they can administrate. I've mer server admins who don't know what Apache or IIS is. I've met SEO guys who don't know what the acronym stands for. I've met "startup guys" who dont have an idea to start. I've met web designers who suspiciously avoid sharing any actual site they might have designed. And so on..

How about you- same experience? Different perspective to share? The old joke about "every bar in Thailand has an ex CIA or SBS member in it" might well need to be changed to "Every bar in thailand has an "I.T. Guy" in it."

Do they think they are fooling anyone?

By the way I'm not complaining about Thailand here.

By the by, anyone got an opinion on the talkers lined up here:

http://echelon.e27.co/sg2013/echelon_satellite/thailand-satellite/

Also converted some today to... gosh.. real money.

Planning to go and spend it on real beer.

So I can get real drunk.

Keeping it real.

Thanks for bringing back the thread mods!

Exante Ltd., a Malta-based investment firm, launched a bitcoin hedge fund marketed towards institutional investors and high net-worth individuals. Bitcoin shares are currently traded through the Exante Hedge Fund Marketplace platform and authorized and regulated by the Malta Financial Services Authority. As of March 2013, Exante holds $3.2 million (2.5€ million) in bitcoin assets.^[59]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin#Hedge_funds

edit: Hope you can bring back the other members' replies.

one of the more ignorance-filled threads I've seen on TV this year. Congratulations!

I do ~10% of my business thanks to bitcoins. That's approximates to my rent being paid for thanks to bitcoins existing. My condo is definitely something of value and tangible, and very much useful to me, so put that in your pipes and smoke it.

Volatility of late or not, like any "currency" one can make or lose money from its movement.

edit: bitcoin is not a pyramid scheme. You have misunderstood. Someone used bitcoins IN their own pyramid scheme, but bitcoins themselves are NOT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

I would submit it is not a troll post but there is nothing I love more than discussing with you guys whether or not posts are troll posts.