Non-Immigrant visa, type O, single entry

[LaoPo]

I'm so sorry but can't find the latest news about the Non-Immigrant type O, single entry Visa for our situation

Our Consulate does not give any other information than the O Visa we wish (have to) to apply for.

 

Our facts:

 

We are a Dutch/China couple, married and want to apply for Non-Immigrant Visa type O, single entry Visa since there is no option for a multiple entry visa.

We are both 50+ and know about all the documents and financial statements we have to submit to the Thai Consulate in Holland.

 

Q's: what about the single entry visa if we want to travel to neighbouring countries, also Indonesia and China and want to return to Thailand after these trips?

It's our intention to stay for a longer period in Thailand than 90 days but travel outbound and return to Thailand within these 90 days and afterwards.

It's a puzzle for us.

 

Do we have to apply for a new Thai visa all the time or is there another solution?

 

Your input is highly appreciated!

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

You will not be able to get a multiple entry non-o visa based upon being 50 or over anymore. Most locations cannot issue them now.

It seems your best option may be a multiple entry tourist visa that will allow unlimited 60 day entries for 6 months from the date of issue. Requirement are here on the embassy website. http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76467-Tourism,-Medical-Treatment.html

There is also the option to get a non-oa visa that will allow unlimited one year entries for a year from the date of issue. Requirements are here. http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76475-Non-Immigrant-Visa-O-A-(long-stay).html

Is your spouse a legal resident of the Netherlands? There are restrictions on Chinese citizens getting visa anywhere other than in China.

 

 

[steve187]

regarding the travel to other countries, once in Thailand on a 90 day permission to stay stamp, that a non immigrant 'O' visa will give you, i suggest you complete or have your landlord complete a TM 30 form, notification of an alien in Thailand form, then obtain either a single (1,900 baht)or a multi entry (3,800 baht) re-entry permit this will keep the 90 day permission to stay stamp that you obtained on entry alive, it will not extend that stamp.

 

if you want to stay in Thailand beyond the 90 days a new visa will be required. 

[LaoPo]

8 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You will not be able to get a multiple entry non-o visa based upon being 50 or over anymore. Most locations cannot issue them now.

It seems your best option may be a multiple entry tourist visa that will allow unlimited 60 day entries for 6 months from the date of issue. Requirement are here on the embassy website. http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76467-Tourism,-Medical-Treatment.html

There is also the option to get a non-oa visa that will allow unlimited one year entries for a year from the date of issue. Requirements are here. http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76475-Non-Immigrant-Visa-O-A-(long-stay).html

Is your spouse a legal resident of the Netherlands? There are restrictions on Chinese citizens getting visa anywhere other than in China.

 

 

 

Thank you so much Ubonjoe! Great advice and much appreciated!

 

Looks like the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa is the best option in our case.

 

And, yes, my spouse is a legal resident of the Netherlands so that's no problem. 

I will check upon the possibility to apply for the Thai visa in Holland for my spouse, otherwise we've to do it in China but that's a hurdle, but I will see what we can do.

 

About the: "Bank statement for the last six months .."  Can this statement be from a Dutch Bank? (1st of your 2 option links)

 

Thanks a lot!

 

 

 

 

[LaoPo]

8 hours ago, steve187 said:

regarding the travel to other countries, once in Thailand on a 90 day permission to stay stamp, that a non immigrant 'O' visa will give you, i suggest you complete or have your landlord complete a TM 30 form, notification of an alien in Thailand form, then obtain either a single (1,900 baht)or a multi entry (3,800 baht) re-entry permit this will keep the 90 day permission to stay stamp that you obtained on entry alive, it will not extend that stamp.

 

if you want to stay in Thailand beyond the 90 days a new visa will be required. 

 

Thank you Steve187 ! Much appreciated.

I think the best solution for us is to go for the "Multiple Entry Tourist Visa" solution Ubonjoe advised me.

 

But thank you for your help, very kind indeed!

 

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

Can this statement be from a Dutch Bank?

Yes it can.

[LaoPo]

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

Yes it can.

 

Great, thanks a lot Ubonjoe !  

[Jip99]

I have a Belgian friend who has been staying in Thailand on Tourist Visas. He has now turned 50 and wants to get a single entry  Non-Imm 'O' based on retirement as a prelude to arranging a 12 month extension at his local immigration office.

 

 

What are his options - preferably locally?

[BritTim]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

I have a Belgian friend who has been staying in Thailand on Tourist Visas. He has now turned 50 and wants to get a single entry  Non-Imm 'O' based on retirement as a prelude to arranging a 12 month extension at his local immigration office.

 

 

What are his options - preferably locally?

He can get a conversion from tourist entry to a non immigrant entry at an immigration office inside Thailand, followed by a one-year extension. That is probably his easiest option. The details have been explained in many, many threads. Try a Google search like 'site:thaivisa.com retirement conversion' for a list of some of the relevant threads.

[Jip99]

Thank you...

[LaoPo]

On 19-9-2017 at 2:12 AM, ubonjoe said:

You will not be able to get a multiple entry non-o visa based upon being 50 or over anymore. Most locations cannot issue them now.

It seems your best option may be a multiple entry tourist visa that will allow unlimited 60 day entries for 6 months from the date of issue. Requirement are here on the embassy website. http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76467-Tourism,-Medical-Treatment.html

There is also the option to get a non-oa visa that will allow unlimited one year entries for a year from the date of issue. Requirements are here. http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76475-Non-Immigrant-Visa-O-A-(long-stay).html

Is your spouse a legal resident of the Netherlands? There are restrictions on Chinese citizens getting visa anywhere other than in China.

 

 

 

 

Hello Ubonjoe,

 

During the preparation of all documents I ran into a strange situation between the explanation in your 1st link (above) from the Thai Embassy in The Hague and the website of the Thai Consulate in Amsterdam in my 2nd link:

 

Thai Embassy The Hague - 1st (your) link: 

http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76467-Tourism,-Medical-Treatment.html

they speak about the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa possibility.

 

Thai Consulate Amsterdam - 2nd link:

http://www.royalthaiconsulateamsterdam.nl/index.php/en/visa-service/visa-exemption

They write about a Single Entry Tourist Visa (instead Multiple...)

 

..but with the further text the Consulate contradict themselves with the Embassy, writing:

 

""The application fee is 30 EUR*, with a visa validity of six (6) months and the duration of stay of up to sixty (60) days per visit.""

 

NOTE: they only write like this in English; In Dutch they don't even mention the multiple possibility.

In your 1st link, a Multiple Entry Tourist Visa is 150 EURO and not 30 EURO as written in the Consulate link. 

 

Anyway, I will phone them tomorrow and ask about this and let you know.

 

I'm curious how other EU countries write about the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa possibility, or not.

 

Cheers

 

LaoPo

 

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

5 hours ago, LaoPo said:

During the preparation of all documents I ran into a strange situation between the explanation in your 1st link (above) from the Thai Embassy in The Hague and the website of the Thai Consulate in Amsterdam in my 2nd link:

The consulate in Amsterdam is a honorary consulate. They can no longer issue multiple entry visas of any kind.

You have to apply for the multiple entry tourist visa at the embassy.

[LaoPo]

8 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

The consulate in Amsterdam is a honorary consulate. They can no longer issue multiple entry visas of any kind.

You have to apply for the multiple entry tourist visa at the embassy.

 

...Ooohhh....Thank you so much  I didn't know and will follow up with the Embassy.

 

Thanks a lot.

 

 

[TerryLH]

"...then obtain either a single (1,900 baht)or a multi entry (3,800 baht) re-entry permit..."

 

I think the cost for a single entry permit is 1000 baht.
 

[LaoPo]

On 4-10-2017 at 3:20 AM, ubonjoe said:

The consulate in Amsterdam is a honorary consulate. They can no longer issue multiple entry visas of any kind.

You have to apply for the multiple entry tourist visa at the embassy.

ROYAL THAILAND EMBASSY -  The Hague - THE NETHERLANDS

 

Ubonjoe:

Murphy's Law today   What a drama at the VISA office at the Embassy in Te Hague today.

 

The VISA "office" itself is about 2 x 3M2 and is in a kind of souterrain/basement cramped small office where travellers stand close together without any privacy, whilst the Visa Officier sits behing a bulletproof window with small holes and who's difficult to understand.

 

After our well prepared paperwork and applications, the male staff member didn't accept the papers since they were meant to be for a Tourist Multiple Entry Visa papers for both my own Dutch Visa and  my (non Thai) Chinese wife as was advised properly by yourself, Ubonjoe and which advise made very good sense also.

 

But....NO way they would gave us a Multiple Entry Tourist Visa, even not with enough financial resources, creditcards etc. Paid tickets and even outbound tickets in December 2017.

 

In his opinion we can only submit a NON-IMMIGRANT VISA Category "O" (Other) application with present employer statement (but which we do not have) since we have no job because we are retired.

So, we have to show the proof of bankstatements separately from resources from my pension fund only from myself since my wife has no retirement yet.

 

For the rest I will show all documents, including sufficient funds in bankaccounts, marriage certificates and bankdetails.

 

I will see how this continues but I wasn't very happy and that's an understatement.

 

Next step was CHINA VISA which took a few hours also but will be ready for a 1 year multiple entry visa (each stay 30 days), to be picked up bu tomorrow; amazing speed!

 

But they will only be possible if you're married.

 

To be continued Thursday Oct 12th when we pick up the China VISA and then try to get some positive input from the Thai Visa department.

Keep you posted.

 

Cheers

LaoPo

 

 

 

 

[JackThompson]

6 hours ago, LaoPo said:

In his opinion we can only submit a NON-IMMIGRANT VISA Category "O" (Other) application with present employer statement

The "present employer" statement is an METV requirement; this can be waived based on self-employment, or disability/retirement-income - but policies vary by embassy.  I would guess they denied your METV application based on wife's lack of a "present employer" or retirement-income.

 

A Non-O based on Retirement would not have a condition for "present employer," though would require income and/or savings (in addition to other documents). 

 

6 hours ago, LaoPo said:

So, we have to show the proof of bankstatements separately from resources from my pension fund only from myself since my wife has no retirement yet.

So, you may be able to qualify on pension (+ savings if under 65K Baht/mo), and she on savings alone (800K Baht), for your respective Non-O-A applications.

[LaoPo]

3 hours ago, JackThompson said:

The "present employer" statement is an METV requirement; this can be waived based on self-employment, or disability/retirement-income - but policies vary by embassy.  I would guess they denied your METV application based on wife's lack of a "present employer" or retirement-income.

 

A Non-O based on Retirement would not have a condition for "present employer," though would require income and/or savings (in addition to other documents). 

 

So, you may be able to qualify on pension (+ savings if under 65K Baht/mo), and she on savings alone (800K Baht), for your respective Non-O-A applications.

 

Thank you JackThompson, for your input.

 

We'll go for a one year "O" Visa with Multiple Entry as the staff member demanded at the Thailand The Hague Embassy.

It seems that's the only option.

 

Will keep you informed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LaoPo]

UPDATE: 

 

NON-IMMIGRANT VISA Category "O" (Other)

 

Thursday Oct 12th 2017:

 

After the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa for both my wife (Chinese, with residence in Holland) and myself (Dutch) were declined, last Monday Oct 9th, we could only file an application for a Non-Immigrant Visa "O" (others) *** 

 

* we asked for a one year "O" with a maximum of 4 allowed entries, each 90 days.

we only have plans for less than 5 months, arriving and traveling to and from Thailand and returning in-between; so they could just give us a 2 entry "O" visa which would blow other travel plans

 

* despite the fact that I wrote an explaining letter (asked for) with our travel plans (2 known at this stage) my application was first denied since they came up with a prepared empty form, to be filled in with travel plans...

 

* Wife's application was also denied at first: she had to file 3 (!) of the same applications, all three with photos which she luckily brought along.

 

* We had to pay 2 x EUR 150 = EUR 300 upfront for both Visa 

 

* Friday Oct 13th (tomorrow), Monday 23rd and Thursday 26th October the Embassy is closed due to the cremation of the late HM The King.

 

* Embassy Visa Clerk: "You come back next week Thursday 19th and we'll see if my Supervisor will grant the "O" Visa..."

 

 

RESULT: Since we have airline tickets for Oct 24th/arriving Oct 25th it's another week of waiting and traveling to The Hague to see what they come up with.

 

I the worst case scenario we would have to delay our travel plans (we're able to change tickets, luckily) and come up with a solution...possibly a simple one-entry tourist visa for 60 days and go from there.

 

Amazing Thailand.

 

*** http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76474-Non-Immigrant-Visa-O-(others).html

 

 

[LaoPo]

1 hour ago, LaoPo said:

UPDATE: 

 

NON-IMMIGRANT VISA Category "O" (Other)

 

Thursday Oct 12th 2017:

 

After the Multiple Entry Tourist Visa for both my wife (Chinese, with residence in Holland) and myself (Dutch) were declined, last Monday Oct 9th, we could only file an application for a Non-Immigrant Visa "O" (others) *** 

 

* we asked for a one year "O" with a maximum of 4 allowed entries, each 90 days.

we only have plans for less than 5 months, arriving and traveling to and from Thailand and returning in-between; so they could just give us a 2 entry "O" visa which would blow other travel plans

 

* despite the fact that I wrote an explaining letter (asked for) with our travel plans (2 known at this stage) my application was first denied since they came up with a prepared empty form, to be filled in with travel plans...

 

* Wife's application was also denied at first: she had to file 3 (!) of the same applications, all three with photos which she luckily brought along.

 

* We had to pay 2 x EUR 150 = EUR 300 upfront for both Visa 

 

* Friday Oct 13th (tomorrow), Monday 23rd and Thursday 26th October the Embassy is closed due to the cremation of the late HM The King.

 

* Embassy Visa Clerk: "You come back next week Thursday 19th and we'll see if my Supervisor will grant the "O" Visa..."

 

 

RESULT: Since we have airline tickets for Oct 24th/arriving Oct 25th it's another week of waiting and traveling to The Hague to see what they come up with.

 

I the worst case scenario we would have to delay our travel plans (we're able to change tickets, luckily) and come up with a solution...possibly a simple one-entry tourist visa for 60 days and go from there.

 

Amazing Thailand.

 

*** http://www.thaiembassy.org/hague/th/services/76474-Non-Immigrant-Visa-O-(others).html

 

 

declined, last Monday Oct 9th....

 

Should read Tuesday Oct 10th; sorry.

[LaoPo]

UPDATE October 19th 2017

 

FINALLY..... today we received our two x 1-year retirement O-visa with multiple entries for my wife and myself. From Embassy The Hague Netherlands.

 

Lots of applicants are sent away on every occasion we went there...(3 times in 11 days) 

 

sent away for various reasons:

 

* not enough cash money to pay for Visa; Payment with debit card/credit card is not possible; Most Embassies here accept debit cards, but not Thai embassy.

* papers not correct

* wrong passport photo 

* wrong application (tourist instead "O" or other application)

 

I have the feeling that they are extremely strict, handing out visa nowadays.

 

Many applicants complained that the rules change every single year and it does...

 

Not so easy to receive a Visa anymore. other than tourist visa upon arrival or pre-applications.