This nimrod will have his own TV show soon, given the way the mainstream media are lining up to hear his views.

13 minutes ago, Thechook said:

The yes campaign have been playing some very dirty and vile tactics to try and force people to come over to the gay side.  Taking out a petition to have a doctor de registered, firing people because they support the "no" side, gate crashing church meetings, disrupting rallies, theft of survey papers and physical assaults.  They aren't helping their cause with the attacks and intimidation.

 

The whole thing has been a total cluster from the start, $122 million wanted by the government and 100 ' s of millions spent by companies and other bodies across the country to push their personal views and all this for a bloody survey which means nothing.  Should have been a referendum controlled and monitored by the AEC.

Disagree. Should be voted upon in Parliament, without constriction of party loyalty. The issue has been going on for months, would imagine majority are now bored with the matter, so will decided by special interest groups on either side of the argument.

 More of the loony yes brigade.

 

 

 

Edited September 23, 20178 yr by Thechook

13 minutes ago, Thechook said:

 More of the loony yes brigade.

 

 

 

The Left do not believe in free speech.

 

At one of the church rallies a gay guy was speaking about voting NO. The lefties were screaming at him and calling him a homophobe. Go figure.

5 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

The Left do not believe in free speech.

 

At one of the church rallies a gay guy was speaking about voting NO. The lefties were screaming at him and calling him a homophobe. Go figure.

Exactly why should have been settled by parliamentary vote. Too many idiots on both sides of the argument, including Abbott stirring the pot. To try and suggest it's just left wing behaviour is ridiculous.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-05/neo-nazi-group-antipodean-resistance/8852682

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Exactly why should have been settled by parliamentary vote. Too many idiots on both sides of the argument, including Abbott stirring the pot. To try and suggest it's just left wing behaviour is ridiculous.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-05/neo-nazi-group-antipodean-resistance/8852682

I might be missing something but can you enlighten me how Mr Abbot is stirring the pot.? He has his opinion, or is he not entitled to that?  His sister, who is gay, has her opinion, yet know one has crticised her.  Why is that so? Now  I, being an Australian, don't know if you are or not, want to have my say in this debate.  it is not matter which way I vote but at the last election the citizens Australian, were promised a plebiscite on this very issue, which has now gone from gay marriage to marriage equality.

 

The people voted to accept this so to hell with the politicians, they have stuffed the country enough, so let the people have a say.  The clowns in power at the moment, have brought in emergency laws, to run in conjunction with the survey, that is all it is is, it is not a plebiscite or vote and is not binding, to protect those on both sides, yet despite this, none of those who think they are above the law, and are committing offences that these laws were brought in to stop, have been dealt with in any way.  What does that tell you? 

 

To those who want to curtail free speech, vilify others, deny the people democracy, assault them, sack them because they have differing opinions, prevent them from holding rallies, tell blatant lies about posters being put up, which has been debunked, call them names and tell them to F off university campuses, I call thugs, bullies and criminals who are fools by doing their utmost to destroy their cause.  What a bright lot, seems their IQ's are in the single digits if they believe their behavior is just to their beliefs. I don't know what side they are from, maybe you can enlighten us?

 

I don't know which way it will go, yes or no but it has been polled that the yes's have it.  I should tell the many on here that Australians do not like being bullied, called names, have free speech curtailed or an attempt by some to destroy our democracy, maybe it will be the uprising of the silent majority and if that occurs, won't there be hell to play and from which side?  I think you smart enough to work that one out.

15 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

I might be missing something but can you enlighten me how Mr Abbot is stirring the pot.? He has his opinion, or is he not entitled to that?  His sister, who is gay, has her opinion, yet know one has crticised her.  Why is that so? Now  I, being an Australian, don't know if you are or not, want to have my say in this debate.  it is not matter which way I vote but at the last election the citizens Australian, were promised a plebiscite on this very issue, which has now gone from gay marriage to marriage equality.

 

The people voted to accept this so to hell with the politicians, they have stuffed the country enough, so let the people have a say.  The clowns in power at the moment, have brought in emergency laws, to run in conjunction with the survey, that is all it is is, it is not a plebiscite or vote and is not binding, to protect those on both sides, yet despite this, none of those who think they are above the law, and are committing offences that these laws were brought in to stop, have been dealt with in any way.  What does that tell you? 

 

To those who want to curtail free speech, vilify others, deny the people democracy, assault them, sack them because they have differing opinions, prevent them from holding rallies, tell blatant lies about posters being put up, which has been debunked, call them names and tell them to F off university campuses, I call thugs, bullies and criminals who are fools by doing their utmost to destroy their cause.  What a bright lot, seems their IQ's are in the single digits if they believe their behavior is just to their beliefs. I don't know what side they are from, maybe you can enlighten us?

 

I don't know which way it will go, yes or no but it has been polled that the yes's have it.  I should tell the many on here that Australians do not like being bullied, called names, have free speech curtailed or an attempt by some to destroy our democracy, maybe it will be the uprising of the silent majority and if that occurs, won't there be hell to play and from which side?  I think you smart enough to work that one out.

Whatever. Read / listen to his fear mongering, divisive comments regards the issue.

Edited September 23, 20178 yr by simple1

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

According to forum rules whether I'm an Australian citizen or not is irrelevant. As to the rest of your post, read / listen to his fear mongering, divisive right wing religious comments regards the issue.

Forum smorum, I really don't need to be quoted rules, but if you were able to understand what I was saying then you would see the relevancy but then, it two short sentences you have highlighted why it is necessary for the Australian people to decide this issue.

 

I quoted neither left or right and have remained civil, yet in one sentence you have shown why many Australians as fed up with the propaganda and divisiveness forthcoming from those with certain opinions.

 

I respect your right to that but it is sad that you have to be a bully and are unable to debate civilly and elect to adopt the usual approach of failing to answer or debate anything put to you.  Says a lot really.   

4 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

Forum smorum, I really don't need to be quoted rules, but if you were able to understand what I was saying then you would see the relevancy but then, it two short sentences you have highlighted why it is necessary for the Australian people to decide this issue.

 

I quoted neither left or right and have remained civil, yet in one sentence you have shown why many Australians as fed up with the propaganda and divisiveness forthcoming from those with certain opinions.

 

I respect your right to that but it is sad that you have to be a bully and are unable to debate civilly and elect to adopt the usual approach of failing to answer or debate anything put to you.  Says a lot really.   

You didn't get the hint did you. I'm not interested in your raving

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You didn't get the hint did you. I'm not interested in your raving

Thanks for your civility, just goes to prove my point.  

Edited September 23, 20178 yr by Si Thea01

1 minute ago, Si Thea01 said:

Thanks for your civility, just goes to prove my point.  

With your posting history, consider yourself a judge of civility? -LOL

Think Putin told him to do it ................

Stay on topic and stop with the personal remarks.  

 

Tony Abbott doesn't even have to open his mouth and you know what he is going to say in the current debate. He is an ultra-conservative religious and monarchist political dinosaur born at least 50 years too late, embittered by having his attitudes rejected by the Australian people.

14 minutes ago, halloween said:

Tony Abbott doesn't even have to open his mouth and you know what he is going to say in the current debate. He is an ultra-conservative religious and monarchist political dinosaur born at least 50 years too late, embittered by having his attitudes rejected by the Australian people.

What attitudes of his were rejected by the Australian people?  He's had the same opinion to same sex marriage now, as in the past, and he doesn't sound embittered when discussing the topic.

 

Funny how the Labor party is now all over this, yet did nothing for those wanting equality when they were in power with Rudd, Gillard, Rudd.  Don't hear anyone up in arms about their 10 year failure to act.

Edited September 23, 20178 yr by Si Thea01

2 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

What attitudes of his were rejected by the Australian people?  He's had the same opinion to same sex marriage now, as in the past, and he doesn't sound embittered when discussing the topic.

 

Funny how the Labor party is now all over this, yet did nothing for those wanting equality when they were in power with Rudd, Gillard, Rudd.  Don't hear anyone up in arms about their 10 year failure to act.

You're joking right? How many Australians have the same attitude on religion, monarchy, Australian knighthoods, immigration, workplace relations and his 1950's view of the world? He's like an evil reincarnation of Bob Menzies. His PM lasted 16 months (about 12 too long) before his poor popularity forced his party to dump him. Do you recall that happening before?

One newspaper (SMH?) did a survey on his giving an Australian knighthood to Phil the Greek, a tax RISE would have been more popular.

4 hours ago, Thechook said:

The yes campaign have been playing some very dirty and vile tactics to try and force people to come over to the gay side.  Taking out a petition to have a doctor de registered, firing people because they support the "no" side, gate crashing church meetings, disrupting rallies, theft of survey papers and physical assaults.  They aren't helping their cause with the attacks and intimidation.

 

The whole thing has been a total cluster from the start, $122 million wanted by the government and 100 ' s of millions spent by companies and other bodies across the country to push their personal views and all this for a bloody survey which means nothing.  Should have been a referendum controlled and monitored by the AEC.

Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

Much like becoming a republic, Australians favour legalising gay marriage by a margin greater than 2 to 1.

Conservative religious nutters only hope is to distort the will of the people...... the bigoted no voters have much in common with Suthep and his rabid mobs.

 

Want to live in a religious country that hates fags - move to Saudi Arabia and see how much fun that is.

 

BTW - Abbot is a d***head and if any Australian is deserving of a gentle knock to the scone.... it's this knob 

 

 

16 minutes ago, halloween said:

You're joking right? How many Australians have the same attitude on religion, monarchy, Australian knighthoods, immigration, workplace relations and his 1950's view of the world? He's like an evil reincarnation of Bob Menzies. His PM lasted 16 months (about 12 too long) before his poor popularity forced his party to dump him. Do you recall that happening before?

One newspaper (SMH?) did a survey on his giving an Australian knighthood to Phil the Greek, a tax RISE would have been more popular.

Does one have to be joking to ask for clarification. As for how many have he same attitude, I would not have a clue but I would say there would be many who still accept he will bring back the party from the brink despite his opposition to marriage equality as they now call it

 

 An evil reincarnation, a bit strong but your opinion to which you are entitled.  Yes, he was dumped by the bed wetters in his party, not by the people.  A democratically elected PM dumped after being stabbed in the back for some 12 months prior to his demise by the current PM.  Didn't this happen in the Labor Party as well, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd.  Forgot about that have we?

 

Yes, it was incorrect to give the knighthood but given the current leadership, the good ship, Liberal Coalition is going downhill at a rapid rate and is currently 6 points behind in the polls.  So the current leader is better, don't think so, has lost 19 polls in a row, and is doing to the party was he did in opposition and the fools in the party cannot see it.

 

Poor popularity, in two elections he gained 25 seats from Labor, Turnbull won only by one, so if anyone is joking, I don't think it is I.  It's a shame that despite having far more serious matters to deal with, this foolish government and opposition want to deal with such minor matters whilst the good ship Australia Flounders and its people suffer.

 

So now we have gone the full circle I see, taking it off topic, which was actually about him being headbutted so I will ring it back.  I wonder what would be said had he decked the bloke, which he would be quite capable of.  Can see the headlines now.  Abbott throttles "Yes" voter, after being allegedly headbutted.  That would give some of you something to crow about.

21 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

Does one have to be joking to ask for clarification. As for how many have he same attitude, I would not have a clue but I would say there would be many who still accept he will bring back the party from the brink despite his opposition to marriage equality as they now call it

 

 An evil reincarnation, a bit strong but your opinion to which you are entitled.  Yes, he was dumped by the bed wetters in his party, not by the people.  A democratically elected PM dumped after being stabbed in the back for some 12 months prior to his demise by the current PM.  Didn't this happen in the Labor Party as well, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd.  Forgot about that have we?

 

Yes, it was incorrect to give the knighthood but given the current leadership, the good ship, Liberal Coalition is going downhill at a rapid rate and is currently 6 points behind in the polls.  So the current leader is better, don't think so, has lost 19 polls in a row, and is doing to the party was he did in opposition and the fools in the party cannot see it.

 

Poor popularity, in two elections he gained 25 seats from Labor, Turnbull won only by one, so if anyone is joking, I don't think it is I.  It's a shame that despite having far more serious matters to deal with, this foolish government and opposition want to deal with such minor matters whilst the good ship Australia Flounders and its people suffer.

 

So now we have gone the full circle I see, taking it off topic, which was actually about him being headbutted so I will ring it back.  I wonder what would be said had he decked the bloke, which he would be quite capable of.  Can see the headlines now.  Abbott throttles "Yes" voter, after being allegedly headbutted.  That would give some of you something to crow about.

https://www.facebook.com/Tony-Abbott-Worst-PM-in-Australian-History-151576228341304/

Off-topic post removed.

 

16 hours ago, pornprong said:

Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

Much like becoming a republic, Australians favour legalising gay marriage by a margin greater than 2 to 1.

Conservative religious nutters only hope is to distort the will of the people...... the bigoted no voters have much in common with Suthep and his rabid mobs.

 

Want to live in a religious country that hates fags - move to Saudi Arabia and see how much fun that is.

 

BTW - Abbot is a d***head and if any Australian is deserving of a gentle knock to the scone.... it's this knob 

 

 

 

You have proved my point with this post.  Well done.  As for the Republic bit, where have you been if you are suggesting that Australians favour this similarly to marriage equality which, by the way, is what it is now being promoted as, not gay marriage, so please get the terminology right.  The former is long dead and was defeated by the people.

 

Why do you find the need to go into the bullying, name calling mode, there is no need for it.  As I said previously, Australians are becoming fed up with these tactics and if it backfires, I just hope those with these attitudes will learn a lesson.

 

That is, be nice. cut out the divisiveness, debate the subject, have decent and respectable opinions, stop the threats, intimidation, bullying and name calling then maybe others will respect your views.  As it is now, highly unlikely.  Please have a nice day.  

 

 

2 hours ago, Si Thea01 said:

 

You have proved my point with this post.  Well done.  As for the Republic bit, where have you been if you are suggesting that Australians favour this similarly to marriage equality which, by the way, is what it is now being promoted as, not gay marriage, so please get the terminology right.  The former is long dead and was defeated by the people.

 

Why do you find the need to go into the bullying, name calling mode, there is no need for it.  As I said previously, Australians are becoming fed up with these tactics and if it backfires, I just hope those with these attitudes will learn a lesson.

 

That is, be nice. cut out the divisiveness, debate the subject, have decent and respectable opinions, stop the threats, intimidation, bullying and name calling then maybe others will respect your views.  As it is now, highly unlikely.  Please have a nice day.  

 

 

Left wingers not resorting to intimidation and threats, is like asking a teenager to clean their room I am afraid - it aint gonna happen, and if it does it wont last long.  

 

Getting back to the OP and the violent attack against Abbot, and responding to ignorant posts about the anti-gay marriage people being more violent and aggressive in the debate - the reality is exactly the opposite. 

 

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/its-not-okay-to-be-homophobic-canberra-contractor-sacked-for-vote-no-facebook-post/news-story/4ed027f47b5810e87036450054a8b6dd

 

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/canberra-teen-sacked-for-opposing-samesex-marriage-says-young-people-fear-being-bullied-for-voting-no/news-story/4ef4ea6cf3f56db96fc6b64a3c51dc16

 

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/worldtoday/violence-mars-ssm-debate/8949600

 

Just like in the USA, the left are the main users of violence in Aust - they always have been and they always will be the main offenders.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-footage-reveals-sheer-violence-of-andrew-bolt-attack-outside-melbourne-restaurant-20170608-gwmx7k.html

 

What the left wingers do is claim that the expression of any views other than their own (eg. those against gay marriage) is violence inciting hate speech done by neo-Nazis. 

 

I am back here at the moment and let me tell you, people are beginning to turn against the yes vote campaigners because of their aggression and hatred towards anyone not agreeing with their yes campaign.  They risk losing the vote which should have been a fait accompli. The yes vote will still probably win, but people dont like how the yes vote campaigners are demanding 'compliance'. 

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Left wingers not resorting to intimidation and threats, is like asking a teenager to clean their room I am afraid - it aint gonna happen, and if it does it wont last long.  

 

Getting back to the OP and the violent attack against Abbot, and responding to ignorant posts about the anti-gay marriage people being more violent and aggressive in the debate - the reality is exactly the opposite. 

 

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/its-not-okay-to-be-homophobic-canberra-contractor-sacked-for-vote-no-facebook-post/news-story/4ed027f47b5810e87036450054a8b6dd

 

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/canberra-teen-sacked-for-opposing-samesex-marriage-says-young-people-fear-being-bullied-for-voting-no/news-story/4ef4ea6cf3f56db96fc6b64a3c51dc16

 

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/worldtoday/violence-mars-ssm-debate/8949600

 

Just like in the USA, the left are the main users of violence in Aust - they always have been and they always will be the main offenders.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-footage-reveals-sheer-violence-of-andrew-bolt-attack-outside-melbourne-restaurant-20170608-gwmx7k.html

 

What the left wingers do is claim that the expression of any views other than their own (eg. those against gay marriage) is violence inciting hate speech done by neo-Nazis. 

 

I am back here at the moment and let me tell you, people are beginning to turn against the yes vote campaigners because of their aggression and hatred towards anyone not agreeing with their yes campaign.  They risk losing the vote which should have been a fait accompli. The yes vote will still probably win, but people dont like how the yes vote campaigners are demanding 'compliance'. 

 

Look at government reports and you will soon see right wing extremist violence far exceeds left wing extremist violence, as it does in the USA. Members of the right, who often express extremist views on this forum, are pushing misinformation, not facts.

Edited September 24, 20178 yr by simple1

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Look at government reports and you will soon see right wing extremist violence far exceeds left wing extremist violence, as it does in the USA. Members of the right, who often express extremist views on this forum, are pushing misinformation, not facts.

Yes, and also always keep in mind that the yes side is in favor of expanding civil rights to a minority, and the no side is in favor of blocking civil rights to a minority. I think most people of good will will choose the former if they're not clouded by irrelevant propaganda about violence and all kinds of fear mongering such as a yes win will be the end of Christmas in Australia. I sure hope Australians prove to the world that they're not that stupid to fall for such tactics. 

Edited September 24, 20178 yr by Jingthing

It was nothing to do with same sex marriage .....

 

I seen the guy on TV ....   the guy is just a nutter & dirtbag ....

It doesn't matter what is discussed or opposed by either side ,   you don't head butt people ....   simple an idiot.

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Look at government reports and you will soon see right wing extremist violence far exceeds left wing extremist violence, as it does in the USA. Members of the right, who often express extremist views on this forum, are pushing misinformation, not facts.

That's interesting.  I can see that you are good  at researching, so if you could provide proof of this, that is right wing violence, in Australia, specifically relating to the current topic, then that would speak much louder than just the words you use to amplify your view point.  Also, in order to clarify your allegations of those expressing extremist views, would you be kind enough to highlight what misinformation those so called members of the right are expressing? 

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, and also always keep in mind that the yes side is in favor of expanding civil rights to a minority, and the no side is in favor of blocking civil rights to a minority. I think most people of good will will choose the former if they're not clouded by irrelevant propaganda about violence and all kinds of fear mongering such as a yes win will be the end of Christmas in Australia. I sure hope Australians prove to the world that they're not that stupid to fall for such tactics. 

 

Good gosh, how did we progress from Mr. Abbot being headbutted by some douche bag, which is what this thread is about, not people in Australia trying to deny rights to a minority.  But then I realised whose post I was reading.  We are talking about marriage equality here, so why are you bringing up this aspect, considering that same sex couples already have the same rights as heterosexual couples? The only difference is that one is called a union, the other, marriage.

 

I am also at odds to understand what you are saying about a yes vote win will be the end of Christmas in Australia. Are you saying that if the yes gets up, then the next thing will be to rid Australia of Christmas celebrations?  Would you mind clarifying this aspect?  It is clear that your not an Australian, so don't have hopes and wishes about a nation you clearly know nothing of.

 

To enlighten yourself and gain some knowledge then maybe if you spent some time in my country or associated with some Aussies, then you would understand that we are not as gullible as some think or hope nor do we take bullying, violence, threats,  lies, or unfounded BS lightly.  Have a nice day. 

Edited September 24, 20178 yr by Si Thea01

5 hours ago, Si Thea01 said:

 

You have proved my point with this post.  Well done.  As for the Republic bit, where have you been if you are suggesting that Australians favour this similarly to marriage equality which, by the way, is what it is now being promoted as, not gay marriage, so please get the terminology right.  The former is long dead and was defeated by the people.

 

Why do you find the need to go into the bullying, name calling mode, there is no need for it.  As I said previously, Australians are becoming fed up with these tactics and if it backfires, I just hope those with these attitudes will learn a lesson.

 

That is, be nice. cut out the divisiveness, debate the subject, have decent and respectable opinions, stop the threats, intimidation, bullying and name calling then maybe others will respect your views.  As it is now, highly unlikely.  Please have a nice day.  

 

 

Totally fed up with the yes campaign bombarding us at every turn, it's like a noose around your neck and you can't escape them.  Yesterday I received a text on my private number, telling me, not asking to say YES and the audacity of asking for donations so they can harass others.  I didn't appreciate it.  Then about an hour ago I had 2 gay guys turn up at my door, my private family residence handing out flyers and asked how I voted.  I said it's none of your business and then they asked do you support SSM, gave them the same response.  They then asked for a donation and when I said no they responded are you homophobic and respect equality?  I said not homophobic and respect equality and going to treat you the same way I treat Mormons who invade my personal space and that is you run now or I let the dog out.  They left but also gave a barrage of abuse as they walked away, some things I can't repeat but along the lines of f $#% €^g lowlife homophobic scum which a pedestrian walking past obviously heard as she had stunned look.  I heard them say to her he's a homophobe and saw them try to engage her, she just walked away.

 

I didn't appreciate this aggressive threatening manner they displayed on my own personal property.  I didn't tell them hour I was going to vote because I could read their body language and tone as had a good feeling if I said NO it may have got extremely nasty like it did with Tony Abbott.

 

Oh and I don't have a dog.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Thechook said:

Totally fed up with the yes campaign bombarding us at every turn, it's like a noose around your neck and you can't escape them.  Yesterday I received a text on my private number, telling me, not asking to say YES and the audacity of asking for donations so they can harass others.  I didn't appreciate it.  Then about an hour ago I had 2 gay guys turn up at my door, my private family residence handing out flyers and asked how I voted.  I said it's none of your business and then they asked do you support SSM, gave them the same response.  They then asked for a donation and when I said no they responded are you homophobic and respect equality?  I said not homophobic and respect equality and going to treat you the same way I treat Mormons who invade my personal space and that is you run now or I let the dog out.  They left but also gave a barrage of abuse as they walked away, some things I can't repeat but along the lines of f $#% €^g lowlife homophobic scum which a pedestrian walking past obviously heard as she had stunned look.  I heard them say to her he's a homophobe and saw them try to engage her, she just walked away.

 

I didn't appreciate this aggressive threatening manner they displayed on my own personal property.  I didn't tell them hour I was going to vote because I could read their body language and tone as had a good feeling if I said NO it may have got extremely nasty like it did with Tony Abbott.

 

Oh and I don't have a dog.

 

 

Yes I had the same SMS on my iPhone, rather strange as unsolicited and no opt out. Very unfortunate experience for you and totally unacceptable. Can't remember if you're still a serving police office, but if it were me I would have called police to have them warned / removed from the area.

1 hour ago, Si Thea01 said:

That's interesting.  I can see that you are good  at researching, so if you could provide proof of this, that is right wing violence, in Australia, specifically relating to the current topic, then that would speak much louder than just the words you use to amplify your view point.  Also, in order to clarify your allegations of those expressing extremist views, would you be kind enough to highlight what misinformation those so called members of the right are expressing? 

As you're Australian I am sure you are well aware of the aggression and extreme POV by a number of Australian right wing groups. You would capable of recalling your own posts and other members supporting right wing propaganda memes.

Edited September 24, 20178 yr by simple1