Ex-Australia PM Abbot head-butted 'over same sex marriage views'

[Kieran00001]

6 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

 

Political violence takes us no where, neither does what you are talking about.  Would you clarify what you are referring to with the children, parents, people being kept in cages and the rest you have so eloquently put together in this and your following post.   I for one have no idea what you are on about, maybe others would be interested also.  Be factual rather than listing a post full of innuendos, bile and hatred, it's not really becoming but then we are all anonymous, aren't we? 

 

Political violence has set half of our countries free, of course it can get us somewhere.  And if you don't know about Australia's offshore detention centres set up under Abbot then Google it.  I feel no shame in expressing hatred against what has gone on under his watch, it is an absolute disgrace and the bloke should be in prison not getting a little headbutt but he isn't going to go to prison, the very best we are going to see are the prison owners going on trial.  Abbot passed laws to silence the prison staff from speaking about the atrocities they witnessed, clearly he is complicit but being offshore it is not an easy case against him, had he made them in Australia he would have gone down for life, no question.

[Kieran00001]

7 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

Heaven help us, equating a head butt to a revolution, what further nonsense are we going to be subjected to. 

 

"Political violence takes us no where, neither does what you are talking about."

 

Political violence, as you started us talking about.

[boomerangutang]

                        A 'sucker punch' is a 'sucker punch', no matter how it's thrown or the reason behind it.  The attacker should be arrested and, if found guilty, given the maximum penalty.   My suggestion:  $3,000 fine and 6 weeks in jail.

[Si Thea01]

6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Political violence has set half of our countries free, of course it can get us somewhere.  And if you don't know about Australia's offshore detention centres set up under Abbot then Google it.  I feel no shame in expressing hatred against what has gone on under his watch, it is an absolute disgrace and the bloke should be in prison not getting a little headbutt but he isn't going to go to prison, the very best we are going to see are the prison owners going on trial.  Abbot passed laws to silence the prison staff from speaking about the atrocities they witnessed, clearly he is complicit but being offshore it is not an easy case against him, had he made them in Australia he would have gone down for life, no question.

Oh, now I see where you coming from.  And you believe everything you read on the internet.  Carry on with the misinformation if it makes you look good.  The story ends here, have a good night.

[Si Thea01]

2 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

                        A 'sucker punch' is a 'sucker punch', no matter how it's thrown or the reason behind it.  The attacker should be arrested and, if found guilty, given the maximum penalty.   My suggestion:  $3,000 fine and 6 weeks in jail.

He has been charged but I think 6 weeks is a little light on considering how many people are now dying because of these one punch heroes. He is lucky that he only gave him a fat lip, could have been worse.  They had to introduce special laws into Australia to deal with them. 

[Kieran00001]

24 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

Oh, now I see where you coming from.  And you believe everything you read on the internet.  Carry on with the misinformation if it makes you look good.  The story ends here, have a good night.

 

No, I believe what the Red Cross, Amnesty and the UN have to say about the centres, that has nothing to do with the internet what made you think it did?

[farmerjo]

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Political violence has set half of our countries free, of course it can get us somewhere.  And if you don't know about Australia's offshore detention centres set up under Abbot then Google it.  I feel no shame in expressing hatred against what has gone on under his watch, it is an absolute disgrace and the bloke should be in prison not getting a little headbutt but he isn't going to go to prison, the very best we are going to see are the prison owners going on trial.  Abbot passed laws to silence the prison staff from speaking about the atrocities they witnessed, clearly he is complicit but being offshore it is not an easy case against him, had he made them in Australia he would have gone down for life, no question.

 

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Political violence has set half of our countries free, of course it can get us somewhere.  And if you don't know about Australia's offshore detention centres set up under Abbot then Google it.  I feel no shame in expressing hatred against what has gone on under his watch, it is an absolute disgrace and the bloke should be in prison not getting a little headbutt but he isn't going to go to prison, the very best we are going to see are the prison owners going on trial.  Abbot passed laws to silence the prison staff from speaking about the atrocities they witnessed, clearly he is complicit but being offshore it is not an easy case against him, had he made them in Australia he would have gone down for life, no question.

So what half of the Countries would they be ?

[Kieran00001]

36 minutes ago, farmerjo said:

 

So what half of the Countries would they be ?

 

The US, France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Poland, for instance, and then nearer here, Loas, Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, but there are so many it may actually be easier to make a list of countries that have never been set free by political violence.

[Thechook]

7 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

So no American revolution, back to being British for them, no French Revolution, back to living in servitude for them, no Carnation revolution for the Portuguese, back to living in fascism for them, no Tibetan uprising so no Dalai Llama at all as he surely would have been killed, the list is almost endless, if it actually were true what you had said then we would all be living under crazy despots, slaves to another mans slightest whim, thankfully what you said was nonsense, many issues are solved with political violence, it has brought freedom to more people in this world than anything else.

 

American Indians scalped their political enemies back in the mid 1700's same time as the U.S revolution so would it still be acceptable for an Aussie to scalp a politician he doesn't agree with.  I don't get your connection between violent activities in the U.S 400 years ago and a person attacking another in Australia today because that person isn't gay and won't support gay marriage.

[Kieran00001]

4 hours ago, Thechook said:

American Indians scalped their political enemies back in the mid 1700's same time as the U.S revolution so would it still be acceptable for an Aussie to scalp a politician he doesn't agree with.  I don't get your connection between violent activities in the U.S 400 years ago and a person attacking another in Australia today because that person isn't gay and won't support gay marriage.

 

I didn't make much of a connection, I replied to someone claiming that political violence never gets anyone anywhere, it clearly does sometimes, history is the evidence.  And Abbot was not head butted because he is not gay, nor because he will not support gay marriage, but because he is a fascist.  I have no idea what you are getting at with your attempt at an analogy between an indigenous population who had just seen their country colonized and a disagreement of politics in Australia, what made you think there was some comparison there? 

[Si Thea01]

6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I didn't make much of a connection, I replied to someone claiming that political violence never gets anyone anywhere, it clearly does sometimes, history is the evidence.  And Abbot was not head butted because he is not gay, nor because he will not support gay marriage, but because he is a fascist.  I have no idea what you are getting at with your attempt at an analogy between an indigenous population who had just seen their country colonized and a disagreement of politics in Australia, what made you think there was some comparison there? 

 

I am the someone that you are referring to and I find your analogy of head butts and revolutions repulsive and totally ludicrous.

 

Why do you keeping making things up.  Mr. Abbott was not head butted for the reason you give, totally false.  I suggest you take a read of the following link and then stop with the misinformation.  The guy is a self confessed anarchist, and did so out of hatred, no other reason.  Now after looking at your style of posting, are you also self confessed?

 

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/23/personal-hatred-inspired-abbott-headbutt

 

 

[halloween]

36 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/23/personal-hatred-inspired-abbott-headbutt

Tasmanians don't like being stereotyped as a pack of 6-fingered weirdos, and then we get this. Paul Keating was absolutely right with his "undemocratic swill" comment, they have ~15 times the representation of those living in NSW.

[Si Thea01]

Just now, halloween said:

Tasmanians don't like being stereotyped as a pack of 6-fingered weirdos, and then we get this. Paul Keating was absolutely right with his "undemocratic swill" comment, they have ~15 times the representation of those living in NSW.

Yes, Tasmanians are certainly a different breed than those from the mainland.  Definitely over represented and full of ideologies.  I don't know if you have been there but in some instances the 6 fingered description is quite apt, just have look at the genius who head butted the Ex PM.  Also, just recently, the greens hauled a religious leader before the Human Rights Commission for daring to put out a paper that listed why the church objected to same sex marriage.

 

Fortunately, for a change, the commission saw sense and found for the religious leader.  This is how stupid this debate is going.  Then we have attacks and threats from both sides, more so from one than the other. People trying to curtail free speech, so what is next on their agenda, one can only guess.  If, as stated, the yes campaign is in front by a fair margin, then why the need for all the threats intimidation, assaults, damage to property, and lies that the Yes side are propagating?

 

Australians are not sheep, they can make up their own minds and will do so.  We do not need all these high profile personalities, sports stars, pollies, companies or sporting bodies telling us what we should do or which way to vote, that is a personal decision for the individual to make.

 

Funny how all this lot says that such and such a group, such and such an organisation supports the Yes campaign but have never consulted their members, employees or others they purport to represent, as to which way their beliefs fall. Total arrogance on their behalf.

 

It actually amazes me that the AFL came out in favour of the yes campaign as there has never been one player who has identified themselves as gay. On their headquarters their AFL sign was recently changed to YES but lasted on a couple days owing to the public backlash.

 

 Given they way things have been happening the latest poll shows a drop in support for the yes campaign and maybe they should take it easy of they may end up like England with Brexit and America with Trump. People are just sick and tired of the elite trying to run their lives and maybe they will just get the big bird.  Who knows, lets wait and see.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, Si Thea01 said:

 

I am the someone that you are referring to and I find your analogy of head butts and revolutions repulsive and totally ludicrous.

 

Why do you keeping making things up.  Mr. Abbott was not head butted for the reason you give, totally false.  I suggest you take a read of the following link and then stop with the misinformation.  The guy is a self confessed anarchist, and did so out of hatred, no other reason.  Now after looking at your style of posting, are you also self confessed?

 

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/23/personal-hatred-inspired-abbott-headbutt

 

 

 

There are other interviews where he gives his reason for headbutting him as that he is an anti fascist and Abbot is a fascist, and that it his ambition to headbutt a fascist.  I have made nothing up, you may find the analogy of revolution to headbutts repulsive but it was never made, I merely rubbished the ludicrous claim that political violence has never gotten anyone anywhere, a primary school child could do the same for you, political violence has shaped the free world, violence against people like Abbot.

[Si Thea01]

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Edited September 26, 2017 by Si Thea01

[Si Thea01]

 

3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

There are other interviews where he gives his reason for headbutting him as that he is an anti fascist and Abbot is a fascist, and that it his ambition to headbutt a fascist.  I have made nothing up, you may find the analogy of revolution to headbutts repulsive but it was never made, I merely rubbished the ludicrous claim that political violence has never gotten anyone anywhere, a primary school child could do the same for you, political violence has shaped the free world, violence against people like Abbot.

 

 

Gee, the guy's ambition in life to head butt a fascist.  What an all round loser.  Now if he in fact he said what you allege then please post a link to substantiate you allegations.  I must appolgise if this is a little long but you might learn something.

 

You have gone out of you way to degrade Mr. Abbott, without substantiation, just words , so lets hit you with a few facts, not make believe as you seem to be into.  Firstly,  I doubt very much if either of you know the meaning of the word, fascist.

 

So to help you understand here it is.

 

Fascism is a form of government which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. They work for a totalitarian one-party state. ... Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government. It goes on further.

 

A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

 

Does anything in the above two paragraphs sound like Australia? Of course it doesn't so please stop being so ingracious.

 

Now, if you would be so kind as to enlighten me as to how Mr. Abbott, his government or any other governments, past or present,  fits any of the categories detailed in the definition of fascist?  I can tell you that none of the above are applicable but then don't take my word for it.

 

Do some checking on the current systems, with all their checks and balances that are used to govern Australia, its two territories and six states, what you are alleging is at the best, totally reprehensible.  Are you even an Aussie? If you are then there are words out there to describe you but if used I would probably be given a holiday, however, if you are, you are certainly not acting like one.?

 

Some background to help you learn and understand. Mr Abbot was born in England and came to Australia in 1960. He obtained various degrees and is a Rhodes Scholar.  He later trained as a Roman Catholic Seminarian but left and was elected to Federal Parliament in 1994 and was first appointed to cabinet in 1998.  He is married, has three children (females) one of which has come out in favour of the Yes Campaign.  He hasn't crticised her or his sister, who is in a same sex relationship, so where does this leave your criticism of the man?

 

He is a volunteer fireman and life saver, whilst every year he takes part in the Polly pedal to raise money for various charities.  Each year he spends a number of weeks living with the indigenous  peoples in out back Australia, yes roughing it, and trying to get those peoples to change and assimilate into the Australian society.  Hardly something a racist or fascist would do.

 

He was leader of the Liberal Party from 2009 to 2015, when as a duly elected Prime Minister, was ceremoniously dumped by the party's bed wetters, after being back stabbed by the current PM.  So for him to be a fascist, you are saying that since he was in leader from 2009 to 2015, the entire Liberal party was complicit in allowing to man to govern whilst being a fascist.  Please, can you see how ridiculous your comments are or are you too blinded by your hatred of the man to see the forest through the trees?

 

As for you previous posts about Mr. Abbott being responsible for problems arising in off shore detention centres, here's a bit more of the correct history, not what yo are trying to change it into. In 2007 Labor was elected to government and opened our borders, which allowed 50,000 illegal immigrants to travel on leaky boats, after paying huge sums to people smugglers in Indonesia. Manus was actually opened in 2001, as was Nauru, whilst Christmas Island came on board on 2008, all long before Mr. Abbott had any say. Nauru was closed in 2008 but reopened in 2012, under the labor government, not the party led by Mr. Abbott. 

 

Up until Mr. Abbott won the 2013 election, Rudd, Gillard and Rudd again, opened other numerous detention centres throughout out Australia.  During the two terms of the Labor government and the leaky boats saga, over 1000 people, men, women and children drowned at sea, maybe many more that we have no knowledge of.  Labor was responsible for the dramas that besieged our nation, not Mr. Abbott.

 

Mr. Abbott and Scott Morrison, the then Immigration minister, put into place a system to stop the boats, which it did, however, by the time this started there were almost three thousand children in detention. Not by Abbott or his government but by the socialist governments of Rudd, Gillard, Rudd.

 

Today, there are none but Australia has been left with a 50 billion dollar debt thanks to those socialist fool's policies, and the last of the detainees on Manus and Nauru are being sent to America.  Also, many of the illegals have been repatriated to their homeland, all with money in their pockets to start a new life. Definitely the actions of a fascist hey?

 

To me it appears that the rubbish you have sprouted on here comes from people whose sole intentions are to re-open our borders, let in more illegals, to bleed our system dry and to change the who structure of Australian society.  What do you call them, activists or anarchists, you would know seeing that it appears you fit into one or both categories.  I would call the S#$t stirrers

 

Then there are the lawyers, working pro bono, with many being left wing activists hell bent on getting rid of the conservative government, who were duly elected to run this democratic country.  Another aspect of you fascism sent to the garbage pile.

 

I could go on and on demolishing you dreams but I think I have left you enough to deal with.  So please, stop the rubbish about Abbott being a fascist, understand the definition and then slip off down to Tasmania and watch you hero get his comeuppance. And stop trying to change history, you will not, why, because we will not let you.  People, in the future will look back and wonder how decent folk, for a while, let the idiots take over the running of the asylum. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, Si Thea01 said:

 

 

 

Gee, the guy's ambition in life to head butt a fascist.  What an all round loser.  Now if he in fact he said what you allege then please post a link to substantiate you allegations.  I must appolgise if this is a little long but you might learn something.

 

You have gone out of you way to degrade Mr. Abbott, without substantiation, just words , so lets hit you with a few facts, not make believe as you seem to be into.  Firstly,  I doubt very much if either of you know the meaning of the word, fascist.

 

So to help you understand here it is.

 

Fascism is a form of government which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. They work for a totalitarian one-party state. ... Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government. It goes on further.

 

A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

 

Does anything in the above two paragraphs sound like Australia? Of course it doesn't so please stop being so ingracious.

 

Now, if you would be so kind as to enlighten me as to how Mr. Abbott, his government or any other governments, past or present,  fits any of the categories detailed in the definition of fascist?  I can tell you that none of the above are applicable but then don't take my word for it.

 

Do some checking on the current systems, with all their checks and balances that are used to govern Australia, its two territories and six states, what you are alleging is at the best, totally reprehensible.  Are you even an Aussie? If you are then there are words out there to describe you but if used I would probably be given a holiday, however, if you are, you are certainly not acting like one.?

 

Some background to help you learn and understand. Mr Abbot was born in England and came to Australia in 1960. He obtained various degrees and is a Rhodes Scholar.  He later trained as a Roman Catholic Seminarian but left and was elected to Federal Parliament in 1994 and was first appointed to cabinet in 1998.  He is married, has three children (females) one of which has come out in favour of the Yes Campaign.  He hasn't crticised her or his sister, who is in a same sex relationship, so where does this leave your criticism of the man?

 

He is a volunteer fireman and life saver, whilst every year he takes part in the Polly pedal to raise money for various charities.  Each year he spends a number of weeks living with the indigenous  peoples in out back Australia, yes roughing it, and trying to get those peoples to change and assimilate into the Australian society.  Hardly something a racist or fascist would do.

 

He was leader of the Liberal Party from 2009 to 2015, when as a duly elected Prime Minister, was ceremoniously dumped by the party's bed wetters, after being back stabbed by the current PM.  So for him to be a fascist, you are saying that since he was in leader from 2009 to 2015, the entire Liberal party was complicit in allowing to man to govern whilst being a fascist.  Please, can you see how ridiculous your comments are or are you too blinded by your hatred of the man to see the forest through the trees?

 

As for you previous posts about Mr. Abbott being responsible for problems arising in off shore detention centres, here's a bit more of the correct history, not what yo are trying to change it into. In 2007 Labor was elected to government and opened our borders, which allowed 50,000 illegal immigrants to travel on leaky boats, after paying huge sums to people smugglers in Indonesia. Manus was actually opened in 2001, as was Nauru, whilst Christmas Island came on board on 2008, all long before Mr. Abbott had any say. Nauru was closed in 2008 but reopened in 2012, under the labor government, not the party led by Mr. Abbott. 

 

Up until Mr. Abbott won the 2013 election, Rudd, Gillard and Rudd again, opened other numerous detention centres throughout out Australia.  During the two terms of the Labor government and the leaky boats saga, over 1000 people, men, women and children drowned at sea, maybe many more that we have no knowledge of.  Labor was responsible for the dramas that besieged our nation, not Mr. Abbott.

 

Mr. Abbott and Scott Morrison, the then Immigration minister, put into place a system to stop the boats, which it did, however, by the time this started there were almost three thousand children in detention. Not by Abbott or his government but by the socialist governments of Rudd, Gillard, Rudd.

 

Today, there are none but Australia has been left with a 50 billion dollar debt thanks to those socialist fool's policies, and the last of the detainees on Manus and Nauru are being sent to America.  Also, many of the illegals have been repatriated to their homeland, all with money in their pockets to start a new life. Definitely the actions of a fascist hey?

 

To me it appears that the rubbish you have sprouted on here comes from people whose sole intentions are to re-open our borders, let in more illegals, to bleed our system dry and to change the who structure of Australian society.  What do you call them, activists or anarchists, you would know seeing that it appears you fit into one or both categories.  I would call the S#$t stirrers

 

Then there are the lawyers, working pro bono, with many being left wing activists hell bent on getting rid of the conservative government, who were duly elected to run this democratic country.  Another aspect of you fascism sent to the garbage pile.

 

I could go on and on demolishing you dreams but I think I have left you enough to deal with.  So please, stop the rubbish about Abbott being a fascist, understand the definition and then slip off down to Tasmania and watch you hero get his comeuppance. And stop trying to change history, you will not, why, because we will not let you.  People, in the future will look back and wonder how decent folk, for a while, let the idiots take over the running of the asylum. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's some reading material on the reasons Abbott is called a fascist for you if you're interested.

http://www.countercurrents.org/2016/07/02/the-facets-of-australian-fascism-the-abbott-government-experience/

The reason Abbott is so strongly criticized for the detention centers is because of his actions regarding them, firstly he sent Australians to them, stripped of their citizenship, also he sent everyone who arrived by boat there regardless of the legitimacy of their claim, and also because when inspectors wanted to check on the welfare of the children detained in them he refused them entry and passed a law barring all employees from speaking of the conditions they witnessed.  As PM he ordered border staff to break the Convention on Refugees and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.  And no, my sole intention has nothing to do with the borders of Australia but actually is just me voicing my basic morals as a Christian, which are to speak against those who separate children from their families and detain them indefinitely in camps. Abbott claims to be a Christian, he is not, he works for the devil and will rot in hell for his crimes.  And what people will look back on in the future is not how we let immigrants go to live with the other immigrants in Australia, that is absurd, it is how we allowed these atrocities to take place in the 21st century, we really should have learned our lesson by now and have a system in place to remove criminals to humanity like Abbott quickly and effectively.

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by Kieran00001

[ELVIS123456]

The violence and abuse from the left about the gay marriage vote just keeps getting worse.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/ssm-supporters-vile-street-rant-goes-viral/news-story/0a577c9a5e175c2c23b9d4bcecc8ce2f

This is the violent and aggressive left at their worst, and as clearly shown in the web link, they have no tolerance for opposing views.  They are aggressive hypocrites that demand tolerance for gay marriages, but will not tolerate any opposing views.

 

I too got that unsolicited text message demanding I vote Yes.  And what is really annoying Aussies is that when the organisation responsible was approached about it being inappropriate and perhaps illegal - they refused to apologise and stated they could do whatever they wanted because their campaign was 'just'.

 

I thought it was a fait accompli - but their tactics are beginning to turn people away from supporting their 'demands'.  Were will they go next many people are now asking.  Will they demand that gay marriage and gay sex be taught in schools to our children.  There are now gay people 'coming out' against voting Yes. They are saying they dont really need it, and that the campaign has been taken over by the radical left-wing extremists in the LGBT community (loony liberals in USA speak).

 

[Si Thea01]

19 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Here's some reading material on the reasons Abbott is called a fascist for you if you're interested.

http://www.countercurrents.org/2016/07/02/the-facets-of-australian-fascism-the-abbott-government-experience/

The reason Abbott is so strongly criticized for the detention centers is because of his actions regarding them, firstly he sent Australians to them, stripped of their citizenship, also he sent everyone who arrived by boat there regardless of the legitimacy of their claim, and also because when inspectors wanted to check on the welfare of the children detained in them he refused them entry and passed a law barring all employees from speaking of the conditions they witnessed.  As PM he ordered border staff to break the Convention on Refugees and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.  And no, my sole intention has nothing to do with the borders of Australia but actually is just me voicing my basic morals as a Christian, which are to speak against those who separate children from their families and detain them indefinitely in camps. Abbott claims to be a Christian, he is not, he works for the devil and will rot in hell for his crimes.  And what people will look back on in the future is not how we let immigrants go to live with the other immigrants in Australia, that is absurd, it is how we allowed these atrocities to take place in the 21st century, we really should have learned our lesson by now and have a system in place to remove criminals to humanity like Abbott quickly and effectively.

 

 

I had a look, will not be wasting half my life reading left wing propaganda.  Abbott criticised for sending Australians to detention centres and stripping them of their citizenship.  Can you provide proof of this, who were they and when did it occur?  No Australian citizen has ever been sent to any detention centres, either on the mainland or offshore.  Our laws do not permit this.  

 

The only person that I am aware of having his citizenship stripped is a person born in Australia, Khaled Sharrouf, who held dual citizenship.  He was an ISIS terrorist and was the first person to have his citizenship stripped.  This occurred in 2017 when PM Turnbull invoked anti-terrorism laws and Sharrouf became the first Australian to suffer this distinction.  So how was Mr. Abbott responsible?

 

Yes, all illegal immigrants were detained until they could prove they were a refugee, at which, if successful, they were released, together with their families, into the community.  Do you expect a government to release people into the community who they have no idea as to who they are and where they came from.  You have no idea do you?

 

I think you have you facts crossed, it was the Labor party who kept the children in custody and the Liberal Coalition who released them, after Mr. Abbott first came to power in 2013.  But don't let the facts get in the way. Now 1200 on Manus and Nauru are being sent to America.The rest of the mish mash is not worth commenting on.

 

Edited September 27, 2017 by Si Thea01

[Kieran00001]

2 hours ago, Si Thea01 said:

 

I had a look, will not be wasting half my life reading left wing propaganda.  Abbott criticised for sending Australians to detention centres and stripping them of their citizenship.  Can you provide proof of this, who were they and when did it occur?  No Australian citizen has ever been sent to any detention centres, either on the mainland or offshore.  Our laws do not permit this.  

 

The only person that I am aware of having his citizenship stripped is a person born in Australia, Khaled Sharrouf, who held dual citizenship.  He was an ISIS terrorist and was the first person to have his citizenship stripped.  This occurred in 2017 when PM Turnbull invoked anti-terrorism laws and Sharrouf became the first Australian to suffer this distinction.  So how was Mr. Abbott responsible?

 

Yes, all illegal immigrants were detained until they could prove they were a refugee, at which, if successful, they were released, together with their families, into the community.  Do you expect a government to release people into the community who they have no idea as to who they are and where they came from.  You have no idea do you?

 

I think you have you facts crossed, it was the Labor party who kept the children in custody and the Liberal Coalition who released them, after Mr. Abbott first came to power in 2013.  But don't let the facts get in the way. Now 1200 on Manus and Nauru are being sent to America.The rest of the mish mash is not worth commenting on.

 

 

It is not left wing propaganda, it is a published paper by one of Italy's most accomplished attorneys who is now a research fellow in Australia, he gives an unbiased account, every fact is well cited and every comment is backed up by some solid reasoning.  But you wouldn't know that as you couldn't read it.

 

Do I have any proof that Abbott passed laws to strip citizens of their citizenship?  If only your reading level was up to the link I posted you would not have had to ask.  Do you want the 'learning to read' version?

 

No, not all were released once their refugee status was ascertained, that is one of the main points I made, all people who arrived by boat were detained whether they were genuine refugees or not, some being transferred to a third party, Cambodia, instead of being allowed into Australia as according to the Convention on Refugees that Australia is a party states as being their lawful right.  Abbott's government also tried to pass legislation allowing the detention center guards the right to use lethal force against inmates, they did not get that one through, but they really did try to pass that Nazi law.  

 

And Abbott pledged to not keep children in the camps but it actually continued, and I am not trying to put all blame for this on him like you are trying to remove blame from him by pointing at others, there are others to blame, but we are talking about Abbott and why he was headbutted, remember?

 

Whatever way you try to justify what went on under Abbott's watch the fact remains that it was unlawful, this has been demonstrated more than once by the UN.

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19 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

It is not left wing propaganda, it is a published paper by one of Italy's most accomplished attorneys who is now a research fellow in Australia, he gives an unbiased account, every fact is well cited and every comment is backed up by some solid reasoning.  But you wouldn't know that as you couldn't read it.

 

Do I have any proof that Abbott passed laws to strip citizens of their citizenship?  If only your reading level was up to the link I posted you would not have had to ask.  Do you want the 'learning to read' version?

 

No, not all were released once their refugee status was ascertained, that is one of the main points I made, all people who arrived by boat were detained whether they were genuine refugees or not, some being transferred to a third party, Cambodia, instead of being allowed into Australia as according to the Convention on Refugees that Australia is a party states as being their lawful right.  Abbott's government also tried to pass legislation allowing the detention center guards the right to use lethal force against inmates, they did not get that one through, but they really did try to pass that Nazi law.  

 

And Abbott pledged to not keep children in the camps but it actually continued, and I am not trying to put all blame for this on him like you are trying to remove blame from him by pointing at others, there are others to blame, but we are talking about Abbott and why he was headbutted, remember?

 

Whatever way you try to justify what went on under Abbott's watch the fact remains that it was unlawful, this has been demonstrated more than once by the UN.

Australia's compliance to UN Conventions is likely Off Topic. However Australia has enacted local laws designed to circumvent some UN Convention obligations regards asylum seekers, so doubt could be accused of illegal acts. Hypocrisy may be more apt when taking account Federal Government attempts at positioning of Australia's human rights record. Discussed in some detail at URL below.

 

The Migration and Maritime Powers Legislation Amendment Bill 2014 deliberately removes most references to the 1951 Convention from the Migration Act 1958. 

 

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/australia-and-1951-refugee-convention

 

 

 

[pornprong]

On 9/24/2017 at 8:43 AM, Si Thea01 said:

 

You have proved my point with this post.  Well done.  As for the Republic bit, where have you been if you are suggesting that Australians favour this similarly to marriage equality which, by the way, is what it is now being promoted as, not gay marriage, so please get the terminology right.  The former is long dead and was defeated by the people.

 

Why do you find the need to go into the bullying, name calling mode, there is no need for it.  As I said previously, Australians are becoming fed up with these tactics and if it backfires, I just hope those with these attitudes will learn a lesson.

 

That is, be nice. cut out the divisiveness, debate the subject, have decent and respectable opinions, stop the threats, intimidation, bullying and name calling then maybe others will respect your views.  As it is now, highly unlikely.  Please have a nice day.  

 

 

Latest survey results.......SSM is romping home to a landslide victory.

Slowly but surely love is conquering hate.

 

HAHHAHAHA

 

BTW - The disagreement is not whether Australia should become a republic or not, 70% of Australians are pro-republic. The disagreement is in the model of republic that Australia should become. Monarchists preyed upon that division much as anti-SSM bigots are trying to do now with the ridiculous 122 million dollar Tony Abbott postal vote. Australia will inevitably be a Republic (most are just waiting for the old girl to drop off the perch)

[Si Thea01]

6 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Latest survey results.......SSM is romping home to a landslide victory.

Slowly but surely love is conquering hate.

 

HAHHAHAHA

 

BTW - The disagreement is not whether Australia should become a republic or not, 70% of Australians are pro-republic. The disagreement is in the model of republic that Australia should become. Monarchists preyed upon that division much as anti-SSM bigots are trying to do now with the ridiculous 122 million dollar Tony Abbott postal vote. Australia will inevitably be a Republic (most are just waiting for the old girl to drop off the perch)

Romping home, don't think so.  Sure the polls suggest the yes campaign is in front but if you are following the news in Australia then you will find they're losing ground everyday.  If you did some research it would stop you from putting out fictitious figures and highlighting that you really have no idea.  So don't laugh to hard at the moment,  just remember Brexit and Trump.

 

 Next, it is not a postal vote, it is a postal survey, and even then it is not binding.  Only a fool laughs when it is not completed, so just to educate you,  the completed survey paper has to be submitted by the 27th October to be counted, with the result being released on the 15th November. Then, if the yes campaign are successful, good luck to them, if they are not, I can assure they will not take it lying down.

 

Where is the hate, there may be a few ratbags within the No campaign but if you weren't so biased then you would be honest and accept that the lies, bullying, insults, threats and assaults are coming from only one side of the argument.  Most Australians are intelligent enough to make up their own mind, and many take exception to being told how they should complete the survey and if they don't then out come the bullies and with what I mentioned before, try to stifle free speech.

 

A prime example of the stopping of free speech, the federal AG, who is an avid Yes supporter, has passed special laws, albeit temporary, to  prevent anyone with a differing opinion to have their say.  Your bit about the republic is also complete rubbish and maybe if you understood why it was defeated then you wouldn't put out fictitious figures. You are also a very disrespectful person, at least refer to the Queen as the Queen and it may well be that after she passes that the republican movement will try again.  But just look at the last royal visit, look at the younger generation getting involved, maybe not.

 

Tony Abbott postal vote.  This is the last piece that shows your total lack of knowledge.  Has nothing to do with him, he may be backing the No campaign but it was Malcolm Turnbull, who brought on the postal survey when Labor, the Greens and a few troublesome senators would not pass legislation to allow a referendum. Funny how Labor and the Greens, who were in power for 8 years and could have had it passed into law, didn't.  I wonder why? Now they are saying even if the NO campaign is successful it won't matter as if they take government, they will overturn the result.

 

Now tell me, if as you say, the Yes campaign is bolting in, then why did many of those who support it go on like yobbos, refuse to accept that the Australian Public voted for this to occur at the last election, and have attacked, threatened, insulted and assaulted those who have differing opinions and have even gone as low as stopping free speech. 

 

 

[pornprong]

22 hours ago, Si Thea01 said:

Romping home, don't think so.  Sure the polls suggest the yes campaign is in front but if you are following the news in Australia then you will find they're losing ground everyday.  If you did some research it would stop you from putting out fictitious figures and highlighting that you really have no idea.  So don't laugh to hard at the moment,  just remember Brexit and Trump.

 

 Next, it is not a postal vote, it is a postal survey, and even then it is not binding.  Only a fool laughs when it is not completed, so just to educate you,  the completed survey paper has to be submitted by the 27th October to be counted, with the result being released on the 15th November. Then, if the yes campaign are successful, good luck to them, if they are not, I can assure they will not take it lying down.

 

Where is the hate, there may be a few ratbags within the No campaign but if you weren't so biased then you would be honest and accept that the lies, bullying, insults, threats and assaults are coming from only one side of the argument.  Most Australians are intelligent enough to make up their own mind, and many take exception to being told how they should complete the survey and if they don't then out come the bullies and with what I mentioned before, try to stifle free speech.

 

A prime example of the stopping of free speech, the federal AG, who is an avid Yes supporter, has passed special laws, albeit temporary, to  prevent anyone with a differing opinion to have their say.  Your bit about the republic is also complete rubbish and maybe if you understood why it was defeated then you wouldn't put out fictitious figures. You are also a very disrespectful person, at least refer to the Queen as the Queen and it may well be that after she passes that the republican movement will try again.  But just look at the last royal visit, look at the younger generation getting involved, maybe not.

 

Tony Abbott postal vote.  This is the last piece that shows your total lack of knowledge.  Has nothing to do with him, he may be backing the No campaign but it was Malcolm Turnbull, who brought on the postal survey when Labor, the Greens and a few troublesome senators would not pass legislation to allow a referendum. Funny how Labor and the Greens, who were in power for 8 years and could have had it passed into law, didn't.  I wonder why? Now they are saying even if the NO campaign is successful it won't matter as if they take government, they will overturn the result.

 

Now tell me, if as you say, the Yes campaign is bolting in, then why did many of those who support it go on like yobbos, refuse to accept that the Australian Public voted for this to occur at the last election, and have attacked, threatened, insulted and assaulted those who have differing opinions and have even gone as low as stopping free speech. 

 

 

Wow.... talk about clueless.

 

Turrnball only went ahead with the postal SURVEY because he is a weak leader who needs to appease the Abbott wing of his own party.

 

Bob Hawke recently described Turnbull's decision to proceed with the $122 million SURVEY the worst decision by any Australian PM since federation 

 

and finally.....

 

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/10/02/same-sex-marriage-poll-yes/

 

I am laughing both hard and loud in enjoyment watching a minority of bigots flailing attempts to maintain the imposition of their outdated and dehumanising views on Australian society taking a hammering.

 

Next up...... is the republic once old Lizzy goes toes up.

 

 

 

[pornprong]

On 9/24/2017 at 2:46 PM, Thechook said:

Totally fed up with the yes campaign bombarding us at every turn, it's like a noose around your neck and you can't escape them.  Yesterday I received a text on my private number, telling me, not asking to say YES and the audacity of asking for donations so they can harass others.  I didn't appreciate it.  Then about an hour ago I had 2 gay guys turn up at my door, my private family residence handing out flyers and asked how I voted.  I said it's none of your business and then they asked do you support SSM, gave them the same response.  They then asked for a donation and when I said no they responded are you homophobic and respect equality?  I said not homophobic and respect equality and going to treat you the same way I treat Mormons who invade my personal space and that is you run now or I let the dog out.  They left but also gave a barrage of abuse as they walked away, some things I can't repeat but along the lines of f $#% €^g lowlife homophobic scum which a pedestrian walking past obviously heard as she had stunned look.  I heard them say to her he's a homophobe and saw them try to engage her, she just walked away.

 

I didn't appreciate this aggressive threatening manner they displayed on my own personal property.  I didn't tell them hour I was going to vote because I could read their body language and tone as had a good feeling if I said NO it may have got extremely nasty like it did with Tony Abbott.

 

Oh and I don't have a dog.

 

 

The one common thread among all the different breeds of right wing nuts, whether they be religious zealots, neo fascists, racists, bigots, Trumpists or homophobes is their ignorant insistence on treating anecdotal tales of personal experience as superior evidence than facts.

 

The simple and obvious explanation for this affliction is that they are all, one way or another, simply at odds with facts  yet stubbornly remain unwillingly to face reality and so instead choose to linger in a self delusionary cocoon the anecdotal fairytales provide them.

 

I, for one, don't really believe your alleged interaction with the two yes campaigners occurred as you describe it above. I think it's more than likely a fabricated story made up by you to support your personal views in regards to SSM because of your inability to justify your position with any rational argument as to why gays should not be given the same rights as the rest of us.

 

There is only one reason people are opposed to SSM and it is nothing other than plain old garden variety bigotry. All the other nonsense from the no campaign is just deflections born of their cowardice to admit what it is that drives them to take the archaic, unpopular and immoral position they cling to.

 

Dogs are great, they are offer an unending and unquestioning source of friendship and companionship. Spending time with a dog is a much better way to spend ones life than making up stories on the internet that aim to promote  and justify hatred.

 

Maybe you should get a dog.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2017 by pornprong