Uncertainty hovers over Yingluck verdict tomorrow

[Eric Loh]

Forget to add that they are crooks with immunity too. Ouch!!!

[baboon]

Another thread, another opportunity for both sides to go at it yet again. However I am just wondering if we aren't being played for fools - It isn't like either side gives a crap about their supporters - and that negotiations in the political sewer aren't ongoing as we speak...

Edited September 26, 2017 by baboon

[Becker]

35 minutes ago, baboon said:

Another thread, another opportunity for both sides to go at it yet again. However I am just wondering if we aren't being played for fools - It isn't like either side gives a crap about their supporters - and that negotiations in the political sewer aren't ongoing as we speak...

Like you said - no side gives damn about the "common man". But one side was legitimately elected by the people in a mostly free and fair election while the other side is a military d junta which took power when their access to the trough was partially blocked.

Makes all the difference in the world.

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

But nothing cowardly in the Shins having Chalerm and Tarit go after their enemies, inventing laws or applying very creative interpretations to do so eh Eric?

 

Nothing cowardly in promising to "be with you shoulder to shoulder when the first shot's fired" and then pissing off to a luxury hotel in France; or promising to "stay and fight for justice" then bugger off just before the verdict eh Eric?

 

Cowardice, lies and BS seems a somewhat common theme, wouldn't you agree?

Especially if a Shinawatra, hero's to the end - the end of the line, as far as possible from where the action is. 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Artisi said:

Especially if a Shinawatra, hero's to the end - the end of the line, as far as possible from where the action is. 

 

As rich, hiso elites, such a family of self made (555!) billionaires, don't get their hands dirty. They pay minions for that. But paying minions to be your "bravery" is a new one!

[rixalex]

2 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

 

Have an election (a free one) and find out!  but that's not likely to happen is it

 

I also didn't know you spoke for the 'world' in declaring Yingluck a 'spineless coward'  

Since when is a general election a vote on who is a "heroine of democracy"?

 

I said that she showed the world that she was a spineless coward. That's not speaking for the world. I haven't a clue what "the world" thinks of her, but my guess would be most of it hasn't a clue who she is.

[Srikcir]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

the current criminal law regarding politicians, states that the court can read a verdict

• in absentia
• postpone the judgment for a month
• read the verdict in absentia on the rescheduled date
• order a further delay
• choose not to read the verdict in absentia
• postpone the reading
• suspend the reading if neither the prosecution nor defendant show up at court

Uncertainty hovers over the entire judicial system. Even a person who knew he was guilty might be excused for avoiding the court.

[rixalex]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

She stood up against all those abuses and intimidation for as long as she possibly can until the cowardly junta fear her supporters and plan for her escape.

Yes i can see it now... her kicking and screaming, telling them as she is being man-handled into the back of the waiting Camry, "how dare you force me to flee you nasty ruffians.. i demand you let me stay and face whatever punishment the courts had in store for me!"

[LannaGuy]

49 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Since when is a general election a vote on who is a "heroine of democracy"?

 

I said that she showed the world that she was a spineless coward. That's not speaking for the world. I haven't a clue what "the world" thinks of her, but my guess would be most of it hasn't a clue who she is.

I beg to differ that most Thais think as you do. I meet many and she has an affectionate following and I can assure you would win any free election (but that is not going to happen). Let's see you get falsely accused by a Military Junta then hang around whilst they throw you in jail with all those lovely CCTV conveniently 'breaking down' or 'not plugged in'. She did the smart thing.  Easy for you to sit in your armchair and condemn her as a 'spineless coward' very brave of you. 

Edited September 26, 2017 by LannaGuy

[rixalex]

6 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

I beg to differ that most Thais think as you do. I meet many and she has an affectionate following and I can assure you would win any free election (but that is not going to happen). Let's see you get falsely accused by a Military Junta then hang around whilst they throw you in jail with all those lovely CCTV conveniently 'breaking down' or 'not plugged in'. She did the smart thing.  Easy for you to sit in your armchair and condemn her as a 'spineless coward' very brave of you. 

Some Thais like her, some Thais don't, but yet to hear one Thai person describe her as "a heroine of democracy", just as i have yet to hear one Thai person describe the junta in such stomach churning, gushing terms.

 

As for the supposed peril she was in, one minute we are being told that the junta forced her to flee against her will because they feared the backlash, the next, she couldn't possibly do jail time because she would get bumped off inside.

[Artisi]

6 hours ago, JAG said:

Well, perhaps quite a lot of the 15,744,140 or so people who voted for her at the 2011 general election retain a modicum of interest...

 

Incidentally, anyone care to mention how many people voted for the present incumbent?

Perhaps not....

Only 15mil, Jong-Un  and Mugabe always return with 100% in their respective elections, does that mean they are good for the country? 

And a coupè to remove corrupt criminal leaders and their financial backer doesn't need votes to try and sort out the mess. 

[seajae]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Truth hurts. I consider junta who seized power because they have guns as cowards together with their partner in crime Suthep and Ahbisit. Much different from those who dare to face the electorate and win their mandate. I see you like people who seized power and gain office without people mandate. Sad. 

you mean the junta that stepped in when the reds kept killing innocent kids etc and were being cheered by the ptp who refused to do anything to stop them, seems you are having mental lapses of what really happened but then the truth wouldnt back up all your crap

[JAG]

5 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Only 15mil, Jong-Un  and Mugabe always return with 100% in their respective elections, does that mean they are good for the country? 

And a coupè to remove corrupt criminal leaders and their financial backer doesn't need votes to try and sort out the mess. 

Sorry, but it is completely disingenuous to compare the electoral process which produced the Yingluck government with the carefully stage managed cynical charades in Zimbabwe or North Korea.

What is more, do you really believe that the coup, and the subsequent junta government, whilst they may be more to your taste, are an altruistic attempt to set right flaws in their democratically elected predecessor?

[Artisi]

2 minutes ago, JAG said:

Sorry, but it is completely disingenuous to compare the electoral process which produced the Yingluck government with the carefully stage managed cynical charades in Zimbabwe or North Korea.

What is more, do you really believe that the coup, and the subsequent junta government, whilst they may be more to your taste, are an altruistic attempt to set right flaws in their democratically elected predecessor?

No, I don't believe the junta will sort out all the problems, but hopefully will sort out some of the problems which might (note might) flow-on in the future. 

We can only live in hope, but as a guest it's not really my concern and luckily my wife and son also hold Aussie citizenship so they have an alternate if needed. 

[Eric Loh]

3 minutes ago, seajae said:

you mean the junta that stepped in when the reds kept killing innocent kids etc and were being cheered by the ptp who refused to do anything to stop them, seems you are having mental lapses of what really happened but then the truth wouldnt back up all your crap

Are you seriously saying that a coup was needed to stop criminality from happening? That's not the responsibility of the military. That a load of bs from you. BTW, PTP didn't cheered and the men arrested were put on trial and acquitted. So who kill those innocent kids. I wouldn't rule out provocateurs. . 

[hathairat2711]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30327752

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you seriously saying that a coup was needed to stop criminality from happening? That's not the responsibility of the military. That a load of bs from you. BTW, PTP didn't cheered and the men arrested were put on trial and acquitted. So who kill those innocent kids. I wouldn't rule out provocateurs. . 

Well your water melon police weren't stopping the criminality and may have even been adding to it. 

[sjaak327]

9 hours ago, Artisi said:

Only 15mil, Jong-Un  and Mugabe always return with 100% in their respective elections, does that mean they are good for the country? 

And a coupè to remove corrupt criminal leaders and their financial backer doesn't need votes to try and sort out the mess. 

Well one thing is for sure, a coup is illegal and a criminal offense. the people that are supposed to 'sort out the mess' are themselves criminals. Sorting out the mess was not really a reason, disrepect and distrust of the Thai electorate being the only real reason. Can't have those pesky Thais voting, as they seem to not vote for the right guy in sufficient numbers.....