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[rooster59]

Tens of thousands march for abortion rights in Ireland

 

Demonstrators hold posters as they march for more liberal Irish abortion laws, in Dublin, Ireland September 30, 2017. REUTERS/Clodagh Kilcoyne

 

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of people marched in Dublin on Saturday to demand the loosening of some of the strictest abortion laws in the world ahead of a 2018 referendum on the issue.

 

Abortion remains a divisive issue in once stridently Catholic Ireland, where a complete ban on the procedure was only lifted in 2013 to allow terminations in cases where the mother's life was in danger.

 

In 2016 over 3,000 Irish women travelled to England for abortions, according to the British Department of Health, but activists say the real number is far higher.

 

The government has promised to hold a referendum next May or June, but it has yet to decide exactly what question to put to the Irish people.

 

The human rights arms of the United Nations and Council of Europe have pressed the government to decriminalise abortion and widen the law to allow for the procedure in cases of fatal foetal abnormality, rape or incest.

 

But pro-choice activists want a more liberal regime, closer to that of England, which allows terminations to be carried out up to 24 weeks after conception. Opinion polls show a large majority of voters want some change.

 

"Government ministers have suggested only the most restrictive terms will pass, but I think the people want more than that," said Sarah Murphy, a 26-year-old recruitment professional.

 

"Ireland is changing. I don't think you would have seen a march like this a few years ago," she said.

 

Like many at the march she was wearing a black jumper with the word Repeal in white, a reference to a campaign to repeal the eighth amendment of the Irish constitution, which gives the unborn child equal rights to those of the mother.

 

A panel of citizens called together to advise government on the issue voted overwhelmingly that the eighth amendment should be changed.

 

An all-party committee in parliament is now considering those recommendations and is due to report to parliament by the end of the year.

 

Some of the crowd, which marched across the city before assembling outside the office of Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, chanted "Get your rosaries off our ovaries" in reference to the influence the Catholic Church has long had on social policy in Ireland, while others held posters demanding "Repeal now."

 

The growing pro-choice movement is seen as a sign that the Catholic church, which has dominated Irish life for centuries, is continuing to lose influence.

 

Ireland was the first country to adopt gay marriage by popular vote in 2015, approving it by 62 percent to 38 percent despite the opposition of the church.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-10-01

[BuaBS]

9 hours ago, rooster59 said:

In 2016 over 3,000 Irish women travelled to England for abortions,

What about crossing into Northern Ireland ? Easier.

[edwinchester]

3 hours ago, BuaBS said:

What about crossing into Northern Ireland ? Easier.

Abortion in Northern Ireland is more difficult than in England and still defined as illegal although the law has been added to and allows it when a life threatening situation arises.

Still easier to travel across the water and get one.

[LannaGuy]

Good for them. It's no ones right to force women. Someone against abortion?  great!!!  don't have one!

[robblok]

2 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

Good for them. It's no ones right to force women. Someone against abortion?  great!!!  don't have one!

Agree 100% with limits of course on how late it is done.

[Andaman Al]

I want to buy a drink for the one that came up with 

 

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"Get your rosaries off our ovaries"

 

I wonder if the Pope will chuckle at that over a pint of Creme De Menthe.

[BuaBS]

Maybe you can find a youtube video to do it yourself ( safely) . So much information on the internet . If a doctor can learn how to do it , so can you.

[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, BuaBS said:

Maybe you can find a youtube video to do it yourself ( safely) . So much information on the internet . If a doctor can learn how to do it , so can you.

That's the whole point. They have been doing back street abortions for two hundred years. They want the right to choose to do it legally in a hospital with full medical care and ensure it is nothing to do with religious doctrine.

[johnnyonesock]

they are marching to demand the right to use termination of an unborn baby as a contraceptive device.....doesn't sit well with me

[BuaBS]

14 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

That's the whole point. They have been doing back street abortions for two hundred years. They want the right to choose to do it legally in a hospital with full medical care and ensure it is nothing to do with religious doctrine.

As long as they don't get state health insurance to pay for their mistake.

[LannaGuy]

14 hours ago, robblok said:

Agree 100% with limits of course on how late it is done.

 

agreed

[Caps]

7 hours ago, johnnyonesock said:

they are marching to demand the right to use termination of an unborn baby as a contraceptive device.....doesn't sit well with me

Its their right, their body and their choice and its alot more than just about using it for a contraception device.  Because at the moment you can only have it done if the mothers life is in danger.

Just as its yours and others rights and choice not to have it done  

[Andaman Al]

1 hour ago, BuaBS said:

As long as they don't get state health insurance to pay for their mistake.

What mistake is that? Is it a woman mistake to be raped? or to have her Father give her a child or is it her mistake if the foetus is deformed? But you would expect state health insurance to cover you if you get pissed on a Friday night and fall over and break your head? 

[Andaman Al]

8 hours ago, johnnyonesock said:

they are marching to demand the right to use termination of an unborn baby as a contraceptive device.....doesn't sit well with me

 

Who said? You said!  Do you think that these women should be allowed to use contraception? Oh, they can't because it's the only way the Pope can increase his membership rates.

[johnnyonesock]

4 hours ago, Caps said:

Its their right, their body and their choice and its alot more than just about using it for a contraception device.  Because at the moment you can only have it done if the mothers life is in danger.

Just as its yours and others rights and choice not to have it done  

  Because at the moment you can only have it done if the mothers life is in danger.

 

dont know what country you are from but in UK and i guess most of the Western world you dont need any valid reason....

[stevenl]

40 minutes ago, johnnyonesock said:

  Because at the moment you can only have it done if the mothers life is in danger.

 

dont know what country you are from but in UK and i guess most of the Western world you dont need any valid reason....

We're talking about Ireland here.

[BuaBS]

10 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

What mistake is that? Is it a woman mistake to be raped? or to have her Father give her a child or is it her mistake if the foetus is deformed? But you would expect state health insurance to cover you if you get pissed on a Friday night and fall over and break your head? 

All the times that doesn't include rape or health risks.

I don't drink alcohol and don't go out on friday night

[BuaBS]

forum did weird.

Edited October 2, 2017 by BuaBS

[BuaBS]

and again !

Edited October 2, 2017 by BuaBS

[Caps]

On 02/10/2017 at 10:26 AM, johnnyonesock said:

  Because at the moment you can only have it done if the mothers life is in danger.

 

dont know what country you are from but in UK and i guess most of the Western world you dont need any valid reason....

We are talking about Eire (Ireland) not the UK, look at the avatar, thought that would give it away where i am from 

Edited October 3, 2017 by Caps