Rising Islamophobia In Thailand Irrational And Dangerous: Scholars

[jeab1980]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope. 

 

All Thais should be entitled to practice their faith in their country. 

Agreed but not at the expense or annoyance of others as these house mosques tend to be.  Been there seen it bought the T shirt. House mosque suddenly a tower apears then the speaker systems (remember this is a house)

Then as soon as the first complaint  comes in out comes the racist card. Far better to nip it in the bud now. Plenty of other mosques they can go to.

[jenny2017]

     It was almost 30 years ago, when an Arabic speaking correspondent of the "Spiegel" magazine went inside a mosque paid by German tax payers.

 

 What he could bring on paper was more than shocking, and all of us who eat pork were portrayed as pigs, so much hate and that was before the real jihad.There's so much hate, but we are raised not to bite the hand that feeds us.

 

       Somehow does the "multicultural idea" not work out. The Dutch politician who said exactly these words got killed after a few days. 

 

  We all know what followed the last 30 years.

Edited October 3, 2017 by jenny2017

[Bluespunk]

Just now, jeab1980 said:

Agreed but not at the expense or annoyance of others as these house mosques tend to be.  Been there seen it bought the T shirt. House mosque suddenly a tower apears then the speaker systems (remember this is a house)

Then as soon as the first complaint  comes in out comes the racist card. Far better to nip it in the bud now. Plenty of other mosques they can go to.

Racist? Don’t think so. 

 

I’ve lived in Muslim areas. The call to prayer soon becomes background noise. 

[pigeonjake]

you would not be able to go to there country and build a church,

you would not be able to go to there country and burn there flag,

you would not be able to go to there country and hate preach,

 

get my drift, we are to soft ruled by political bloody corectness, 

 

and if anyone says im talking sh@t i worked in iraq 2 years ago and would never go back,

[pigeonjake]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Racist? Don’t think so. 

 

I’ve lived in Muslim areas. The call to prayer soon becomes background noise. 

why should that noise even have to become back ground noise,

 

im old school, if you want to live in our country abide by our laws very very simple, but nowadays with people like you,, well dont get me going on that one,

and if you want to call me racist because i dont want to see the once great britain become a muslim state then please feel free

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, pigeonjake said:

why should that noise even have to become back ground noise,

 

im old school, if you want to live in our country abide by our laws very very simple, but nowadays with people like you,, well dont get me going on that one,

and if you want to call me racist because i dont want to see the once great britain become a muslim state then please feel free

You do realise this thread is about Thai Muslims wishing to worship in their own country don’t you?

 

How old school is it to accept that?

 

Where did I call anyone racist?

 

Also I lived in the uk for most of my life until I was 30.

 

Why are your views more important than mine?

 

Why is your view of the “laws” more sacrosanct than mine?

 

”People like me” ... sigh. 

 

As for your rather odd claim that Britain is becoming a Muslim state...nonsense. 

Edited October 3, 2017 by Bluespunk

[hawker9000]

On ‎10‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 8:50 AM, wakeupplease said:

Ban all religions everyone of them is a ripoff, the oldest con in the world, its all about taking money from you and filling their own pockets. Recent visitors to my door where some American religious boys who got to learn two new words one started with F the O.

Oh great fount of wisdom, please tell us.  How would you "ban all religions"?   What restrictions, scrutiny, loss of personal freedom, mind control and "correction" would you impose in your rampage to eradicate religion that doesn't exceed by a factor of at least 10 the evils you're moaning about in the first place?

 

BTW, out of curiosity, since you're so much the great sage on these matters, what did telling the two missionaries to "F the O" accomplish that simply telling them you weren't interested and shutting the door wouldn't have?   Did they verbally abuse you necessitating that you verbally abuse them?  Are you irrationally disturbed when they start saying what they have to say?   Or did they simply interrupt you in the middle of a particularly satisfying porn  search  nap...?  They certainly don't have to do much to put you on the defensive.  Here's a tip:  install a peep hole in your door so you can simply not answer the knock in the first place.  'Sounds like it might be good for either your blood pressure or your ... "hobbies".

 

Here's another tip.  If other people want to commit their money, their time, their faith - it's none of your business and needn't be any of your concern until and unless their religion starts picking up weapons and tearing up the place or dictating to others what they must believe.  There's a "religion of peace", that here, now & today (rather than centuries ago...) has undertaken to do precisely that, and should probably be treated as a violent cult rather than a religion.  But even among THAT "religion's" followers are at least some peaceful, decent people who are as much the victims of intimidation and coercion as those who are so mindlessly and murderously labeled "infidels".   Saying you want to in effect go to war against all religions everywhere is undoubtedly just about the most ignorant, thoughtless, ridiculous, inciteful thing anyone could say and identifies you as being every bit as intolerant as those you have your issues with.

 

[jeab1980]

9 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Racist? Don’t think so. 

 

I’ve lived in Muslim areas. The call to prayer soon becomes background noise. 

Rubish so have i and it never becomes background noise. 

And yes the racist card is quickly pulled out by them when a non muslim complaints about the noise i know ive been there. 

You can defend them forever the fact is a house should not be turned into a mosque end of story.

[bert bloggs]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

 

Yes, I know areas change as the population demographic changes but that’s life.

 

Always happened always will.

 

However not seen to the extreme you are saying happens. 

 

I’ve lived in Muslim majority areas in uk and saw none of that. 

 

Still visit friends there there and ain’t seeing that. 

 

Change happens, it’s still no excuse for raging against Islam as practiced by the majority. 

 

The majority are those that take over ,and they are told by their holy book ,that is what they should do ,and it is what they do,do ,if not by force then by weight of numbers , we are not bigots ,some of us are frigtened ,some of us hate and most of us are just ordinary people who do not have their heads buried in the sand ,but can see what is happening ,

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

The majority are those that take over ,and they are told by their holy book ,that is what they should do ,and it is what they do,do ,if not by force then by weight of numbers , we are not bigots ,some of us are frigtened ,some of us hate and most of us are just ordinary people who do not have their heads buried in the sand ,but can see what is happening ,

Or some can hate and also see the end game and those who can not see what is happening really need to look around before it is too late if it is not too late already.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, jeab1980 said:

Rubish so have i and it never becomes background noise. 

And yes the racist card is quickly pulled out by them when a non muslim complaints about the noise i know ive been there. 

You can defend them forever the fact is a house should not be turned into a mosque end of story.

No it’s not the end of the story. 

 

Thais are free to follow their faith here and that’s the end of the story. 

 

The call to prayer does become background noise after a while. 

 

You seem to have problems with with the word racism. In the context of this story, how can Thais complaining about Thais be racism?

 

Narrow minded religious bigotry and intolerant prejudice, yes. Racism, no. 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

The majority are those that take over ,and they are told by their holy book ,that is what they should do ,and it is what they do,do ,if not by force then by weight of numbers , we are not bigots ,some of us are frigtened ,some of us hate and most of us are just ordinary people who do not have their heads buried in the sand ,but can see what is happening ,

Take over?

 

Oh dear, that’s a telling phrase. 

 

People are free to live where they please in their own country. They are free to follow their faith and live without the hatred of the insecure and frightened. And the bigoted of course. 

 

“Take over”...my oh my...

[jeab1980]

@BluespunkYou are obviously a Muslim appologist or a troll cant figure out which yet.  Either way theres no point in having or trying to have a conversation with yourself, due to your very narrow minded aproach. Coupled with reading posts and somehow missing the points made only to fit them into your narrow agenda.

 

Edited October 4, 2017 by jeab1980

[Bluespunk]

15 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

@BluespunkYou are obviously a Muslim appologist or a troll cant figure out which yet.  Either way theres no point in having or trying to have a conversation with yourself, due to your very narrow minded aproach. Coupled with reading posts and somehow missing the points made only to fit them into your narrow agenda.

 

I'm neither.

 

Just someone who despises the intolerance spread by prejudiced individuals.

 

Of all faiths and movements with agendas rooted in hatred.

 

Keep telling yourself what you like but I am answering your points, you just don't like the answers.

[holy cow cm]

26 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

@BluespunkYou are obviously a Muslim appologist or a troll cant figure out which yet.  Either way theres no point in having or trying to have a conversation with yourself, due to your very narrow minded aproach. Coupled with reading posts and somehow missing the points made only to fit them into your narrow agenda.

 

Well put!

[Airbagwill]

"muslim apologist" - stoopid is as stoopid does.

 

I notice a trait amongst people who really don't know what they are talking about and consequently don't actually have an argument - they have a harboured hatred and a prejudice instead - but when they post on a forum they like to use a collection of "sound bite" words - like most things, they don't understand the true meaning of those words but they think they look good in an argument. In fact all they do is reveal the "stoopidity" of the poster.

 

in this case the word is "apologist" - it's use over the last couple of centuries has dwindled...until recently that is, as it seems the internet  - the best record of language ever - has allowed more and more people with no opinion to voice one - hence the resurrection of words like "apologist"....but now usually in an incorrect context.

Edited October 4, 2017 by Airbagwill

[Eloquent pilgrim]

39 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

"muslim apologist" - stoopid is as stoopid does.

 

I notice a trait amongst people who really don't know what they are talking about and consequently don't actually have an argument - they have a harboured hatred and a prejudice instead - but when they post on a forum they like to use a collection of "sound bite" words - they like most things don't understand the true meaning of those words but they think they look good in an argument. In fact all they do is reveal the "stoopidity" of the poster.

 

in this case the word is "apologist" - it's use over the last couple of centuries has dwindled...until recently, that is as it seems the internet  - the best record of language ever - has allowed more and more people with no opinion to voice one - hence the resurrection of words like "apologist"....but now usually in an incorrect context.

An apologist is someone that argues in defense, or justification of someone or something; usually a doctrine, an institution, an action, a policy or a faith, quite often of a controversial nature. 

 

It is therefore acceptable language to call somebody a muslim apologist if they are defending the Muslim religion of Islam; whether or not it is justifiably aimed at any particular individual, is of course, an entirely different matter, but contextually, it is not incorrect, as you suggest that it is   

Edited October 4, 2017 by Eloquent pilgrim

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

An apologist is someone that argues in defense, or justification of someone or something; usually a doctrine, an institution, an action, a policy or a faith, quite often of a controversial nature. 

 

It is therefore acceptable language to call somebody a muslim apologist if they are defending the Muslim religion of Islam; whether or not it is justifiably aimed at any particular individual, is of course, an entirely different matter, but contextually, it is not incorrect as you suggest.   

An apologist would be someone defending terrorist scum and their actions, not someone pointing out the absurdity of blaming all Muslims for the actions of scum who misrepresent a faith.

[jeab1980]

1 hour ago, Airbagwill said:

"muslim apologist" - stoopid is as stoopid does.

 

I notice a trait amongst people who really don't know what they are talking about and consequently don't actually have an argument - they have a harboured hatred and a prejudice instead - but when they post on a forum they like to use a collection of "sound bite" words - like most things, they don't understand the true meaning of those words but they think they look good in an argument. In fact all they do is reveal the "stoopidity" of the poster.

 

in this case the word is "apologist" - it's use over the last couple of centuries has dwindled...until recently that is, as it seems the internet  - the best record of language ever - has allowed more and more people with no opinion to voice one - hence the resurrection of words like "apologist"....but now usually in an incorrect context.

You are so wrong on so many levels its painful to read.Why bescuse in laughing so much it hurts. Stupid is indeed.

[hansnl]

Islamophobia isn't dangerous.

The islam is dangerous.

[hansnl]

39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

An apologist would be someone defending terrorist scum and their actions, not someone pointing out the absurdity of blaming all Muslims for the actions of scum who misrepresent a faith.

I don't blame all muslims.

But when there is another islam induced act of terror, part of the islam are having a party, a few token muslims speak out against the atrocity, while the majority is earshattering silent.

Quite obvious most non muslims have no idea what is written and instructed in their holy book.

If you knew no defense of islam would be forthcoming.

 

[maxpower]

11 minutes ago, hansnl said:

I don't blame all muslims.

But when there is another islam induced act of terror, part of the islam are having a party, a few token muslims speak out against the atrocity, while the majority is earshattering silent.

Quite obvious most non muslims have no idea what is written and instructed in their holy book.

If you knew no defense of islam would be forthcoming.

 

 

The ear shattering silence of the majority. A territory governments and the media prefer you don't enter.

[Italian guy]

On 03/10/2017 at 7:54 AM, BuaBS said:

Yala, Pattani , Narathiwat, Satun and sadly : Songkhla .

What do you mean by THEIR... I know the geography of Thailand... 

[Bluespunk]

55 minutes ago, hansnl said:

I don't blame all muslims.

But when there is another islam induced act of terror, part of the islam are having a party, a few token muslims speak out against the atrocity, while the majority is earshattering silent.

Quite obvious most non muslims have no idea what is written and instructed in their holy book.

If you knew no defense of islam would be forthcoming.

 

Could not agree less with you and your agenda.

[hansnl]

On 10/2/2017 at 3:49 PM, Jingthing said:

Well, I know some people will groan, but in my view it is religious majorities in various countries that are more of a risk than religious minorities.

So it is more than OK to condemn oppression of non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia (or even Muslim oppression of other Muslims), genocide of Muslim Rohingya in mostly Buddhist Myanmar,  extremist Christian motivated right wing terrorism in the USA, the occupation of the west bank by the Jewish state of Israel, etc. 

But Muslims when they are a minority really do get an unfair bad rap. 

Moving against them too harshly only fuels more of them to get involved with radical violent dogmas.

It doesn't have to be that way in Thailand.

I suggest the Thai government get involved in an early educational requirement to teach peaceful coexistence and tolerance of different religions and races to very young children. That's a good start anyway. 

 

Why is it, you think, muslim minorities tend to get a bad deal?

[hansnl]

On 10/2/2017 at 3:49 PM, Jingthing said:

Well, I know some people will groan, but in my view it is religious majorities in various countries that are more of a risk than religious minorities.

So it is more than OK to condemn oppression of non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia (or even Muslim oppression of other Muslims), genocide of Muslim Rohingya in mostly Buddhist Myanmar,  extremist Christian motivated right wing terrorism in the USA, the occupation of the west bank by the Jewish state of Israel, etc. 

But Muslims when they are a minority really do get an unfair bad rap. 

Moving against them too harshly only fuels more of them to get involved with radical violent dogmas.

It doesn't have to be that way in Thailand.

I suggest the Thai government get involved in an early educational requirement to teach peaceful coexistence and tolerance of different religions and races to very young children. That's a good start anyway. 

 

You forgot to mention the oppression and ethnic cleansing of Christians by the muslim majority in the so-called occupied territories of the west bank, an area formerly occupied by the Turks, in the division plan stated as Jewish part, in 1948 occupied by Transjordan, and in 1967 taken back by Israel as it was originally meant to be Jewish.

I guess you mean the contested area.

You also seem to forget Jordan, the West bank, are declared Judenrein by the islamic government.

A typical case of Apartheid I'd say?

[Jingthing]

32 minutes ago, hansnl said:

You forgot to mention the oppression and ethnic cleansing of Christians by the muslim majority in the so-called occupied territories of the west bank, an area formerly occupied by the Turks, in the division plan stated as Jewish part, in 1948 occupied by Transjordan, and in 1967 taken back by Israel as it was originally meant to be Jewish.

I guess you mean the contested area.

You also seem to forget Jordan, the West bank, are declared Judenrein by the islamic government.

A typical case of Apartheid I'd say?

I was just given some various examples. This topic isn't specifically about the Middle East and/or the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Try your baiting games elsewhere.

[Jingthing]

48 minutes ago, hansnl said:

Why is it, you think, muslim minorities tend to get a bad deal?

Many reasons. It's often a matter of Muslim individuals being regarded as potential terrorists only because of their identity. 

Edited October 4, 2017 by Jingthing

[CG1 Blue]

3 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

I notice a trait amongst people who really don't know what they are talking about and consequently don't actually have an argument

Slightly self-righteous don't you think; suggesting that those who oppose your view don't know what they're talking about?

[CG1 Blue]

15 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

As for your rather odd claim that Britain is becoming a Muslim state...nonsense. 

 

Before you dismiss comments like this, just think about what people are seeing in Britain over the past decade or so:

 

- The number / proportion of Muslims growing rapidly, already estimated at 6% of the total UK population.

- In 2001 there were 600 mosques in the UK, and now there are 1,800.

- Large parts of big towns are becoming majority Muslim (Tower Hamlets (35% Muslim), Newham (32%), Rochdale, Luton,  Walthamstow, Bradford, Birmingham to name just a few).

- Islam is now the second largest religion in the UK.

- Between 2001 and 2009, the Muslim population increased 10 times more than the non-Muslim population.

- The birth rate for Muslims is ~ 3 times higher than for non-Muslims, and non-Muslims must convert to Islam to marry a Muslim

 

Based on current momentum, what do you think the UK demographic will look like in another 30 years?