katana Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 18 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: The Koran actually says that it is acceptable to kill if needed to defend the right to follow Islamic faith. Otherwise killing is considered an offence. I'm not sure that's right. Chapter 9 Verse 5 from the Koran, which is known as “The Verse of the Sword” is one of the last verses from Muhammed before he died and therefore abrogates all other verses which come before it. There are numerous other verses like it in the Koran. 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters [kill the non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 38 minutes ago, katana said: I'm not sure that's right. Chapter 9 Verse 5 from the Koran, which is known as “The Verse of the Sword” is one of the last verses from Muhammed before he died and therefore abrogates all other verses which come before it. There are numerous other verses like it in the Koran. 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters [kill the non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Oh boy. Yet another poster that judges muslims on what is written in THEIR holy fairytale books. Surely Katana you don't judge christians on what is written in THEIR holy fairytale books? Stuff like slaves obey your master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Well, if they're following and acting on it, why wouldn't you judge them? What else are you meant to do? Don't really understand your point. So you're criticising the koran by calling it a fairytale book? I'm sure many Muslims, who consider it the word of God, might take issue with that and consider you islamophobic. Edited October 6, 2017 by katana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Hello Katana, I see you are still with us, care to answer about that slaves quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, oldhippy said: Oh boy. Yet another poster that judges muslims on what is written in THEIR holy fairytale books. Surely Katana you don't judge christians on what is written in THEIR holy fairytale books? Stuff like slaves obey your master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, katana said: Well, if they're following and acting on it, why wouldn't you judge them? What else are you mean to do? Don't really understand your point. So you're criticising the koran by calling it a fairytale book? I'm sure many Muslims, who consider it the word of God, might take issue with that and consider you islamophobic. not only the Qr'an but all religious books and pamphlets belong to the category fairy tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Some more off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 hours ago, oldhippy said: Oh boy. Yet another poster that judges muslims on what is written in THEIR holy fairytale books. Surely Katana you don't judge christians on what is written in THEIR holy fairytale books? Stuff like slaves obey your master? Perhaps justified by "An eye for an eye " ? The fairytale books were never written by the spokesperson anyway. Therein lies the source of the profitable lies ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 hours ago, oldhippy said: Oh boy. Yet another poster that judges muslims on what is written in THEIR holy fairytale books. Surely Katana you don't judge christians on what is written in THEIR holy fairytale books? Stuff like slaves obey your master? Judge them by their actions inspired by the Holy books. The Quran has 109 verses advocating violence, and too many follow it to the letter, hence all the terrorism. In the Haddith of Bukkari Mohammad is quoted as saying 'I was made victorious by terror'. Not by argument, not by turning the other cheek, but by violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said: 'Extremists do not represent the majority' ......... you could not possibly be more wrong ........... you want to know why ?? .... I doubt it, but I'll tell you anyway ....... it is because the extremists are rapidly becoming the majority; but you will stay in denial, which is a huge part of the problem Hello? Extremists would not be listed as extremists if they were the representatives of the majority. If they were then they would be the nominal conformity and the minority who objected would be the extremists. It is more probable that the vast majority of the apathetic to the political manipulation and social engineering are at risk of. It is that which need be considered carefully across all fronts of this and other insidious issues that are distracting the world from what is the reality ! As of old the tactics of "Divide and conquer" can be applied in variable ways and intent! It is unfortunate that circumstance or apathetic desire to conform has become portrayed in a deliberate polarized effort to conscript. The most insidious aspect is the denial of contemplation for anything else ! "With us or against us " ! The most disgusting betrayal of human rights in modern times yet it has become the mandate for the current political nightmare! In addition I would add that the propaganda in general advocates exactly the same genocidal philosophical pre emptive reactions to that which is being claimed against an extremist element. In that light who then are the harbourers of hate? Edited October 6, 2017 by Dumbastheycome Addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 24 minutes ago, Orton Rd said: Judge them by their actions inspired by the Holy books. The Quran has 109 verses advocating violence, and too many follow it to the letter, hence all the terrorism. In the Haddith of Bukkari Mohammad is quoted as saying 'I was made victorious by terror'. Not by argument, not by turning the other cheek, but by violence. are you aware that the al-Bukhari hadith was compiled and written nearly 250 years after prophet Mohamed (p.b.o.h.) died? what kind of authenticity does that represent pertaining to alleged quotes of Mohamed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 4 hours ago, katana said: I'm not sure that's right. Chapter 9 Verse 5 from the Koran, which is known as “The Verse of the Sword” is one of the last verses from Muhammed before he died and therefore abrogates all other verses which come before it. There are numerous other verses like it in the Koran. 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters [kill the non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. A quote in isolation. Typical manipulation for deceptive intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 It seems that it is not just Thai people who are irrational...let's remember to OP "Rising Islamophobia In Thailand Irrational And Dangerous" - this is evidently true for a large number of expats too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: A quote in isolation. Typical manipulation for deceptive intent. Idolater doesn't mean non muslim...but ne'er mind , eh? If it reinforces your prejudice, that's enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Airbagwill said: Idolater doesn't mean non muslim...but ne'er mind , eh? If it reinforces your prejudice, that's enough. My prejudice is not for any other than rationale as opposed to blind faith in bs from any direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Airbagwill said: It seems that it is not just Thai people who are irrational...let's remember to OP "Rising Islamophobia In Thailand Irrational And Dangerous" - this is evidently true for a large number of expats too. Dislike is better term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Naam said: are you aware that the al-Bukhari hadith was compiled and written nearly 250 years after prophet Mohamed (p.b.o.h.) died? what kind of authenticity does that represent pertaining to alleged quotes of Mohamed? er...in case you hadn't realised. It's not what you think about the verses or their veracity. It's what the followers of the religion think. They believe they are the word of their God as they answer the muezzuin call and go to prayer to listen to these verses and act upon them. Edited October 6, 2017 by katana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 30 minutes ago, katana said: er...in case you hadn't realised. It's not what you think about the verses or their veracity. It's what the followers of the religion think. They believe they are the word of their God as they answer the muezzuin call and go to prayer to listen to these verses and act upon them. Are you saying that all (or most) muslims take the ancient writings litterally, and follow them? What is your opinion based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 25 minutes ago, oldhippy said: Are you saying that all (or most) muslims take the ancient writings litterally, and follow them? What is your opinion based on? All seem to be devote. Adhering. Bring a few radicals in on the religious festivals, they maybe be scared. They would be by radical guest of speaker. What I know is, they have a network that connects them all together. I say because the festivals her bring odd non Thai Muslim here. All the time. I do notice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 8 hours ago, katana said: er...in case you hadn't realised. It's not what you think about the verses or their veracity. It's what the followers of the religion think. They believe they are the word of their God as they answer the muezzuin call and go to prayer to listen to these verses and act upon them. er...in case you hadn't realised that "the followers" is an unjustified generalisation because there are followers and there are followers. yes, the majority of uneducated Muslims are thinking analog to the thinking of Christians in medieval times, id est what the "book" and the priests preach must be believed and obeyed... or else hellfire. after all Islam has to catch up more than six centuries. let's be fair and admit that Christianity, six centuries ago was as intolerant and dogmatic as Islam is today, e.g. the "30 year war" in Europe (1618 till 1648 / Catholics versus Protestants) during which 6 million (~30% of the population) lost their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, holy cow cm said: All seem to be devote. Adhering. Bring a few radicals in on the religious festivals, they maybe be scared. They would be by radical guest of speaker. What I know is, they have a network that connects them all together. I say because the festivals her bring odd non Thai Muslim here. All the time. I do notice.. You know there is a network bringing radicals to all the religious festivals here? How do you Know this? How do you know they are radicals? Do you talk with them? Edited October 7, 2017 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 10 hours ago, holy cow cm said: Dislike is better term. It really isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Bluespunk said: It really isn’t. Dislike now change it to Aversion. Just another word that points to my intolerance of any Mosque being built in a non Muslim area and then to see how that area literally went to the dogs soon after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, holy cow cm said: Dislike now change it to Aversion. Just another word that points to my intolerance of any Mosque being built in a non Muslim area and then to see how that area literally went to the dogs soon after. Ah, intolerance. That is a word we could possibly agree upon. Intolerance towards Thai citizens being allowed to worship in Thailand, however, there we disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Just now, Bluespunk said: Ah, intolerance. That is a word we could possibly agree upon. Intolerance towards Thai citizens being allowed to worship in Thailand, however, there we disagree. Beg to differ. They have the right to worship, just very much not accepted everywhere, and no one has the right to tell them or anyone that they have to like the Muslims and their Mosques. Looking forward to Khon Kaen stopping them building one. Yes you understand the word intolerant very well as it is what you project to every OP that doesn't fit your opinion bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, holy cow cm said: Beg to differ. They have the right to worship, just very much not accepted everywhere, and no one has the right to tell them or anyone that they have to like the Muslims and their Mosques. Looking forward to Khon Kaen stopping them building one. Yes you understand the word intolerant very well as it is what you project to every OP that doesn't fit your opinion bill. Looking forward to Thais being denied the right to worship, are you? Quite a statement. As to your final paragraph...sigh. Edited October 7, 2017 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, holy cow cm said: Dislike is better term. Agreed. I dislike the attitude and intolerance of this religion. About the only sane thing Trump has done so far is to stop them getting into the US. Edited October 7, 2017 by MrPatrickThai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Naam said: let's be fair and admit that Christianity, six centuries ago was as intolerant and dogmatic as Islam is today, e.g. the "30 year war" in Europe (1618 till 1648 / Catholics versus Protestants) during which 6 million (~30% of the population) lost their lives So, are you saying it should be allowed? I agree Islam today is similar and should be stamped out before they take over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 56 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Looking forward to Thais being denied the right to worship, are you? Quite a statement. As to your final paragraph...sigh. Let's just say protested out. Made EXTREMELY unwelcome. And the local Thai from that area have every right to do so! Stop it with your Thais being denied propaganda BS.. And the Muslims are not fully accepted here in Thailand. Not by a long shot. They are so to say tolerated on a second class level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 1 minute ago, holy cow cm said: Let's just say protested out. Made EXTREMELY unwelcome. And the local Thai from that area have every right to do so! Stop it with your Thais being denied propaganda BS.. And the Muslims are not fully accepted here in Thailand. Not by a long shot. They are so to say tolerated on a second class level. The rohti sellers are actually really welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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