webfact Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Operators preparing for the storm as Pattaya smoking ban approaches Picture: Manager Online Manager reported that business was usual on Pattaya Beach yesterday with tourists smoking and tossing their butts in the sand. But with the November 1st deadline on the cards - and a whopping year in jail or 100,000 fine waiting to catch smokers - the operators were understandably concerned at what would happen. One operator Saranya Yingyortram, 33, said that no one had officially told them about the plans. They were concerned about the high penalties being spoken of. She urged the authorities to conduct a PR campaign in advance of the start of next month to inform both Thai and foreign tourists of the ban. She also hoped that signage would be installed and places to throw butts organised as well as an area where smokers could have a puff. Phatrajit Chiawkit, another deckchair operator, was already talking to tourists and giving them ashtrays. "We will help to break the news about this," she said, "and encourage tourists to dispose of their butts in the correct place". Manager said that the ban was slated for 20 beaches including those in Pattaya, Cha-Am, Hua Hin, and Bang Saen. They did not mention Phuket but Patong is also believed to be on the list. They added that Khao Takiap south of Hua Hin would also see the ban in place. Other beaches around Thailand affected are in Rayong, Chantaburi, Pangnga, Pattani, Songkhla and on Koh Lanta and Koh Si Chang, they said. Penalties are severe as environment damage legislation is being used to deter smoking and the throwing of the butts on the beaches. Source: Manager Online -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2017-10-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksidedog Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, webfact said: Phatrajit Chiawkit, another deckchair operator, was already talking to tourists and giving them ashtrays. So is it okay to smoke if you are using an ashtray, or is it a total No, No? I see lots of horror stories emanating from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Pattaya police are drooling. New BMWs have been ordered. Just what the doctor ordered ; a new tax in time for the soon-to-be defunct high season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thechook Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Does Joe citizen get the 50% cut for reporting this offence also? 50k share for accusing a foreign tourist of smoking on the beach could be a good earner, a person could make a million per day without breaking a sweat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Can you imagine after your long flight and the first morning on the beach, not knowing anything about this new law, you relax and light up and get fined $3000 USD? Edited October 11, 2017 by NCC1701A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 This is another fine example of how Thailand just can't get their head around why nothing works - a fine example would be the accident and death rate on Thai roads, they can't see that law enforcement is a failure. As similar in this case, it is not the smoking or drinking or eating that is the crime - it is what people do with their leftovers - again this comes down to enforcement I'd also be willing to bet that the area of the beach they performed this so called investigation on a Phuket beach is right where the jetski renters have been operating for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 minute ago, NCC1701A said: Can you imagine after your long flight the first morning on the beach, not knowing anything about this new law, you relax and light up and get fined $3000 USD? well yes if you discard your rubbish on the beach including cigarette butts, then it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycoin Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Reckon the beach vendors have found a new way to supplement there income from the last few crackdowns on them. Synchronized grassing up to the cops, is on it's way. Win Win. Ps what a stupid rule, let the people have a smoke out side if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, webfact said: Manager reported that business was usual on Pattaya Beach yesterday with tourists smoking and tossing their butts in the sand. What a load of BS, 90% of beach goers pay their 100 baht for a chair, umbrella, table service, rubbish bin, and an ash tray if required or someone cleans up your table after you eat drink etc . Just like any other resturant, bar etc. The odd person may set up on their towel and then leave behind rubbish but most will sit at the beach vendors. This is addressing a problem that really doesn't exists. The problem is water and sewage treatment, plastic bags and bottles, cigarette butts are way at the bottom of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) just another entry on the endless list or reasons to avoid pattaya altogether. oh damn, i see its nation wide. Edited October 11, 2017 by HooHaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just now, HooHaa said: just another entry on the endless list or reasons to avoid pattaya altogether. This report is to do with Pattaya but the ban is at beaches all over Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, stanleycoin said: Reckon the beach vendors have found a new way to supplement there income from the last few crackdowns on them. Synchronized grassing up to the cops, is on it's way. Win Win. Ps what a stupid rule, let the people have a smoke out side if they want. I smoke and have no objection to walking 20 or 30 metres to an area where I can smoke and throw the cig' butt in a bin. Can't see a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 hours ago, webfact said: Penalties are severe as environment damage legislation is being used to deter smoking and the throwing of the butts on the beaches. As far as I can see, its not much to do with banning smoking, public health etc, its being put forward as the holy grail of "What is causing the beach pollution". Its environmental damage laws, not public health laws. How stupid do I feel, I always thought it was sewage and plastic bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellforce Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 With that new law if I cant smoke on the beach, then I wont come anymore. What people do they want on the beach ? Nuns with 20 bahts in their pocket ? Why not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradinAsia Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, NCC1701A said: Can you imagine after your long flight and the first morning on the beach, not knowing anything about this new law, you relax and light up and get fined $3000 USD? Yes, what a shock. Fines for littering -- quite understandable. But such draconian penalties for smoking are a bit ridiculous. I don't smoke, but logically, this new rule, if enforced, would very likely have a huge negative affect on tourism. Have the authorities even considered that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalaRider Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 hours ago, overherebc said: I smoke and have no objection to walking 20 or 30 metres to an area where I can smoke and throw the cig' butt in a bin. Can't see a problem. There won't be any bins to throw away any garbage, butts in. You'll have to walk back to your hotel or where you live to find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalaRider Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, BradinAsia said: Yes, what a shock. Fines for littering -- quite understandable. But such draconian penalties for smoking are a bit ridiculous. I don't smoke, but logically, this new rule, if enforced, would very likely have a huge negative affect on tourism. Have the authorities even considered that? Everything in Thailand is about money, short term money income. They don't care as long as the trickle of money flows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobobo Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Peterw42 said: This report is to do with Pattaya but the ban is at beaches all over Thailand. Build more prisons in all affected areas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbbooboo Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 hmmmm......quite an incongruous situation.,...filthy salt water with all sorts of scum, disease and rubbish rising over the pristine cigarette free sand ..... TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAIBKK Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyShadow Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 A lot of punters will choose jail and many will be jailed due to lack of cash. This is an insane fine and cleary a cash grab. Drop a butt on Sukhumvit Rd and it's 2k only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwynt Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 4 hours ago, NCC1701A said: Can you imagine after your long flight and the first morning on the beach, not knowing anything about this new law, you relax and light up and get fined $3000 USD? Why dont theyjust put signs at swampy tell tourists of all the restrictions, smoking, drinking etc and recomend that they just get a flight to Cambodia/Vietnam as they are not really wanted here other than to charge and fine.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 4 hours ago, NCC1701A said: Can you imagine after your long flight and the first morning on the beach, not knowing anything about this new law, you relax and light up and get fined $3000 USD? What's the problem - that's only a couple cartons of smokes isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattayadon Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 As a non-smoker I think this is great! Nothing worse than getting the stench of cigarette smoke when "kicking it" at the beach. A good start, hopefully restaurants are next!!! The penalties mentioned however are ludicrous and open for corruption as is everything else. Also, as someone mentioned in a previous post, these law makers are evading the obvious problem of the seriously polluted beaches. This law will NOT help! 555. But thank you for the clean air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I can see it already. "Tourist gets 1 year in jail for lighting up a ciggy on the beach, while policemen,s son hacks a cripple to death with a samurai sword and walks free" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggles45 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 "Penalties are severe as environment damage legislation is being used to deter smoking" Yes, much worse for the environment than fishing with dynamite !!. jeeeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Some are very very excited as high revenue is expected with the quality tourists dumping their butts on the sand with their buttocks on the beach! !! Edited October 11, 2017 by observer90210 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanrchase Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Who will decide where the beach begins and ends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalaRider Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just now, alanrchase said: Who will decide where the beach begins and ends? That's already decided by the government some 100 years ago, the whole coastline is considered to be beach. The word 'coastline' gets lost in translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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