California burns: Where’s the president?

[andersonat]

23 minutes ago, pattayadon said:

Pile of horse S***.      You believe that garbage?

 

No, I don't.

 

But unfortunately a significant number of Americans (still) *do*.

 

 

Edited October 17, 2017 by andersonat

[pattayadon]

14 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Californians don't want Trump to come there and express 'presidential love' (as you call it) or anything else.  For starters, Californians know Trump oozes BS on everything he says.  His ability to feel compassion is zilch.

 

From Trump's perspective,  he knows he would be booed lustily.  .....not for what he says or doesn't say, but because Californians (and a majority of Americans) want to boo Trump.  That's why Trump very selectively only goes to places where he's assured that only his rabid fans will be in attendance.

 

 

Yes.... Like Alabama and Mississippi!   Got a hood?

[pattayadon]

7 hours ago, hawker9000 said:

Isn't it amazing how some delusions endure, esp. in the wake of an epic stinging political defeat.

 

In this day and age.....  technology etc   ....  Why not count every vote?  Majority wins.    What a concept!!!!   5555555555   Answer: It's an ace in the hole....  Remember that BS recount in 1999?   Aha!

[zydeco]

20 hours ago, Thaidream said:

I truly feel sorry for anyone that actually believes Trump should not do his job and declare the fire hit area of California a disaster area because some posters do not like Californians or the fact that California voted for Hillary.

You mean like when Obama refused to declare wildfires in Texas a disaster area a few years ago?

[andersonat]

11 minutes ago, zydeco said:

You mean like when Obama refused to declare wildfires in Texas a disaster area a few years ago?

 

http://www.politifact.com/texas/article/2011/sep/06/checking-texas-wildfire-claims/

 

As wildfires ravaged parts of Texas, Gov. Rick Perry said at a Sept. 5, 2011, press conference that authorities would be asking the federal government to issue a disaster declaration.

Earlier this year, PolitiFact Texas looked into contrasting claims about the state’s initially unsuccessful request for a federal disaster declaration to deal with other wildfires.
    
Some background: In an April letter to Obama, Perry requested a "major disaster declaration" as a result of wildfires that were burning through the state. The request sought federal aid to reimburse up to 75 percent of firefighting costs already expended and to help the state fight fires in 252 of the state’s 254 counties, including Travis.
    
On May 3, the Federal Emergency Management Agency rejected the request after concluding that recovery needs did not exceed what state and local governments could handle, according to a May 4 Fort Worth Star-Telegram news article. 

On May 10, Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, jumped on a reporter’s question about whether the administration’s denial of a disaster declaration for Texas was politically motivated.

 

Carney told reporters: "This administration has been extremely responsive to the state of Texas’ requests for wildfire management assisting grants — 25 of them at last count," he said. "All that have been requested had been, as far as I know it, have been provided."

We rated this Mostly True,

concluding that Carney’s statement accurately summed up the Obama administration’s approval of fire-fighting grants for Texas, but it glossed over its denial of the disaster declaration, which could have covered more counties and provided retroactive assistance.

During a May 12 interview with The Texas Tribune, Texas Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples touched on what was still a denial by the federal government of the general disaster declaration about the wildfires. Staples said: "It’s just unconscionable that FEMA and this administration is denying our request for a general disaster declaration. And to put it in context, just in June of 2009, the same administration approved the type of declaration request that we’re asking, when nine counties out of the 77 in Oklahoma burned for about three days. We’ve had wildfires that have been out of control for two weeks."

We found Staples’ claim Mostly True.

 

Staples correctly said the Obama administration had denied Texas’ request for a disaster declaration in response to long-burning wildfires: Also, the administration had approved a similar disaster declaration request from Oklahoma in 2009, in response to wildfires that burned for only a few days.
    
Yet Staples’ statement left out a crucial relevant fact. FEMA had not denied federal aid for the 2011 Texas wildfires; it had approved the fire-fighting grants adding up to $23 million — far more than Oklahoma’s approximate $3 million in disaster aid.

 

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Postscript: In July 2011, President Barack Obama reversed course, signing a general disaster declaration allowing local governments in 45 counties to seek federal help to pay for debris removal and emergency measures taken to save lives and protect property and public health due to the spring wildfires, the Associated Press reported.

[amvet]

16 hours ago, pattayadon said:

In this day and age.....  technology etc   ....  Why not count every vote?  Majority wins.    What a concept!!!!   5555555555   Answer: It's an ace in the hole....  Remember that BS recount in 1999?   Aha!

Same reason as the when the founding fathers opted for an electoral college.  Inherent weakness of direct democracy and majority rule in which the majority of an electorate can place its own interests above, and at the expense of, those in the minority.

[pattayadon]

1 hour ago, amvet said:

Same reason as the when the founding fathers opted for an electoral college.  Inherent weakness of direct democracy and majority rule in which the majority of an electorate can place its own interests above, and at the expense of, those in the minority.

yep!

[andersonat]

2 hours ago, amvet said:

Same reason as the when the founding fathers opted for an electoral college.  Inherent weakness of direct democracy and majority rule in which the majority of an electorate can place its own interests above, and at the expense of, those in the minority.

 

Amvet, 

 

I'm not convinced by your point.

*No-one* should want minority-voices to be ignored, but the majority of an electorate should be able to place its own interests above, and at the expense of, those in the minority.

An inherent weakness of indirect democracy is that a candidate with numerically fewer supporters nationwide can place his/her party's [minority] interests above those of a candidate with numerically more supporters nationwide.

 

 - But considering that only 5 times in US history has a candidate lost the popular national vote but been elected by the electoral college vote (in 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, 2016), and that in these cases the popular vote was extremely close, perhaps people would think that the system has worked well, sort of.

 

Edited October 18, 2017 by andersonat

[captspectre]

On 10/17/2017 at 8:02 AM, mtls2005 said:

California burns: Where’s the president?

 

This is an easy question to answer...Golfing.

Pssst- mtis, here's a secret for you, don't tell anyone because appearently only you know this, BUT obama is not president anymore, he was the golfer!

 

[andersonat]

17 minutes ago, captspectre said:

Pssst- mtis, here's a secret for you, don't tell anyone because appearently only you know this, BUT obama is not president anymore, he was the golfer!

 

 

 

As reported by the Chicago Tribune: as of Aug. 1 in the first year of each man’s presidency, Trump’s golfing days outnumbered Obama’s 21 to 11, 

 

 

[Scott]

An off-topic deflection has been removed.  

[selftaopath]

On 10/16/2017 at 5:07 PM, dunroaming said:

It is hard to see who is the most nuts when it comes to Kim and Trump.  Clearly a close call.

 

Get it right. The whole world is anti-Trump, it is just that some are slow to accept it.  Apart from a few rednecks who still try desperately to excuse the moronic man-child. 

Yes and even Mental Health Professionals demonstrated recently with a Duty to Warn re: 45. He is indeed mentally ill and a danger to the world. 

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, selftaopath said:

Yes and even Mental Health Professionals demonstrated recently with a Duty to Warn re: 45. He is indeed mentally ill and a danger to the world. 

It's hard to say. Mentally ill, EVIL, or both. The vast majority of mentally ill people are sweethearts and totally harmless. I've recently been convinced he's simply evil. Yes, also at least mentally BIZARRE as well, but such a DARK HEART. 

 

In any case, whatever the final "diagnosis" the clown potus should not be in power. As long as he is, he continues to do great damage to the American democracy (quite possibly LONG TERM, as we've seen with similar authoritarians recently in Turkey and Russia), American leadership and credibility in the world now crushed because of him, and overall makes the world a more dangerous and unstable place. 

Edited October 18, 2017 by Jingthing

[selftaopath]

On 10/16/2017 at 6:40 PM, boomerangutang said:

Trump knows that Californians know that he's a hot air buffoon. 

Trump and Stone can fool easily-duped simpletons in the SE and Midwest, but Californians don't like Trump and they're not shy about voicing it. 

 

Thanks Trump for staying away from northern California.  Your empty platitudes wouldn't fool anyone.  Better to stay on your golf courses and tweet away about what a victim you are.

Let's not forget New York - who knows him best - doesn't want him either. lol They know him well.  I think I'll have a party when he's GONE gone gone.

[JHolmesJr]

On 10/16/2017 at 11:38 AM, webfact said:

As raging wildfires devour the lives, homes and dreams of Californians in an unprecedented scale, one voice has been conspicuously mute through day after day of crisis: President Trump.

 

you want him their in a fire suit and a hose?

 

he has many other fires to put out.

 

or he could be obama and make one of those motherhood speeches his writers were so good at....and after that, nothing else.

 

 

[Becker]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

you want him their in a fire suit and a hose?

 

he has many other fires to put out.

 

or he could be obama and make one of those motherhood speeches his writers were so good at....and after that, nothing else.

 

 

Even if what you said about President Obama were true (which, of course, it's not) it still beats playing golf (and cheating).

 

And yes, I would very much want him in the great state of California wearing a fire suit and handling a hose. Wouldn't take more than a friendly nudge and the world would be rid of the greatest threat it has faced since the end of the cold war. 

[Pdaz]

On 16/10/2017 at 2:30 PM, Jingthing said:

Look, he knows there is zero chance of winning California in 2020. A mature civilized NORMAL president would look past that and realize he is still president of all the people in all the states, even the majority that hate his guts (with good reason). But he's a corrupt evil moronic baby man scumbag. The USA elected this horror show. We broke it. Now, how to fix it? 

Same deal in Puerto Rico. They're a colony. It's is a shameful situation and that's not only on the republicans either. 

But aren't the ones complaining exactly the same liberals who held up the " Not my President" banners after he won a democratic election ?

Can't have it both ways. Deny he's their President but then cry when he ignores them. Sounds like they were just as childish not to acknowledge he won the election..

Edited October 18, 2017 by Pdaz
Typo

[Jingthing]

33 minutes ago, Pdaz said:

But aren't the ones complaining exactly the same liberals who held up the " Not my President" banners after he won a democratic election ?

Can't have it both ways. Deny he's their President but then cry when he ignores them. Sounds like they were just as childish not to acknowledge he won the election..

You're tripping.

So the entire state of California held Not My President banners?

Also, Not My President doesn't literally mean he isn't legally the president. It signals OPPOSITION to a horrible fascist that was indeed helped by Putin.

So according to you, it's OK for any president to enforce COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT against states where she isn't popular?
Just how SICK has U.S. politics become? The above post gives a flavor. 

[Kim1950]

He does not drink. He hoping Pelosi's Napa Winery is toast. And, San Fran is coughing to death. Besides, we can rebuild a better country with more Trump Golf Resorts. So where is The Trump, looking for Weinstein's speed dial numbers and where he find a greatly bedroom robe.

Edited October 18, 2017 by Kim1950

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Kim1950 said:

He does not drink. He hoping Pelosi's Napa Winery is toast. And, San Fran is coughing to death. Besides, we can rebuild a better country with more Trump Golf Resorts. 

So it's good to have an evil president? Sounds like you're saying that. 

[joeyg]

On 10/16/2017 at 4:34 PM, FitnessHealthTravel said:

It's interesting, California is a State that has fully rejected Trump and his Government this in past driven by Hollywood and we can see that's falling apart now ans rightly so. Now California wants Government support. I think its time California splits off and becomes an independent Country and let's see how well they do.  Maybe they can get another Hollywood actor to Govern. I hear The Rock has his hand up.

lived there for 30 years.  Couldn't agree more.

[Pdaz]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So it's good to have an evil president? Sounds like you're saying that. 

It's not doing China, Russia or North Korea any harm :) 

[Credo]

He is President of the US and part of his role is to represent all the people.    This includes California.   If he visits California, Melania can wear her Menolo Blanco heels; they fare better in the dry fire-ridden areas than in floods.   

 

 

[riclag]

On 10/16/2017 at 1:22 PM, attrayant said:

If California were a country, it would have the 6th largest economy in the world by GDP and at $2.6B it's the largest state economy in the country.

 

Is this how we make America great again, by letting 14% of its economy burn to ashes?

What should be done ,that hasn't already been initiated?

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/10/pure-devastation-at-least-15-dead-as-firefighters-struggle-to-weaken-california-fires/?utm_term=.5ff64b35a4b2 

[Kim1950]

9 hours ago, Pdaz said:

 

Sarcasm.

Edited October 18, 2017 by Kim1950