Hutch68 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Hi anyone have any tips on lowering soil ph without using chemicals?No 2, anyone know where to buy the micro dripline with built in emitters?Tried global house for the dripline but no have!Cheers. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaanAussie Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 You need to add something acidic obviously. So what have you got? EM is applied at about pH3.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djayz Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Re question no. 2: I vaguely remember seeing micro driplines at DuHome. They have a pretty good selection of various drip/watering systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEBiochar Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Wood distillation is something you could try. Charcoal/biochar production via pyrolysis provides opportunities to extract wood vinegar. There are some v.simple systems with retort drums. Allowing the retort gas to cool before flaring will produce useful natural distillates that you can use in many ways... including soil pH adjustment. Plenty of video available online with some searching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch68 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 You need to add something acidic obviously. So what have you got? EM is applied at about pH3.8.Thanks sounds good so just lower it using EM then keep a regular check and add more when needed?Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch68 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 Re question no. 2: I vaguely remember seeing micro driplines at DuHome. They have a pretty good selection of various drip/watering systems. Thanks, never heard of DuHome but I'll take a look.I'm sure someone once posted somewhere in Bangkok that you could order online but I can't find the thread.Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch68 Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 On the lowering ph I can find using vinegar, coffee grounds, pine needles and sand can help but can't find anything about em lowering soil ph. Will try the em first as I've always got plenty of that to use but adding a little vinegar to water every now and then seems an easy fix. IsaanAussie have you used em to lower the ph in your soil?Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rice555 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) On 10/18/2017 at 7:08 PM, Hutch68 said: Thanks, never heard of DuHome but I'll take a look. I'm sure someone once posted somewhere in Bangkok that you could order online but I can't find the thread. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Hello All, SuperProducts is the low cost of irrigation supplies and Netafim is higher in price and for commercial farm/greenhouse, but a better selection flow rates in the dripper's. Both have stores in BKK or you can go through their O/L catalog and call them to order. The usual deposit the $ in their Acct., @/fax a copy of the deposit slip to them and they will EMS your order. If you order from SP, have them send a copy of their catalog with the order, it has more than the O/L cat. Global House and DoHome sell SP, SP also is a partner with Netafim and also sell's some of their products, but not the full range of their stuff. DoHome is in Korat And has another store in Ubon with another name. rice555 Edited October 19, 2017 by rice555 spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 18 hours ago, Hutch68 said: On the lowering ph I can find using vinegar, coffee grounds, pine needles and sand can help but can't find anything about em lowering soil ph. Will try the em first as I've always got plenty of that to use but adding a little vinegar to water every now and then seems an easy fix. IsaanAussie have you used em to lower the ph in your soil? Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Can you describe what your trying to achieve,your very vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch68 Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Can you describe what your trying to achieve,your very vague.Just another experiment, I want to try lower some soil to between 4 and 5 ph.Don't know what the soil is at the moment as I'm out of town and still waiting for my tester to come but when I start I want to get cracking as soon as so if anyone has any ideas I can start thinking about what I'm going to do.Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch68 Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Pretty sure it will need lowering though for some things maybe not others so I'm thinking that starting off with the correct soil ph would be a good start. Never tested my soil before so something new to try.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch68 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Also there's different soil types around our place so maybe looking around the place trying to find something suitable then just stick my rod in!Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtreelove Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/19/2017 at 8:40 AM, farmerjo said: Can you describe what your trying to achieve,your very vague. Soil sulphur, to lower pH. Search "sulphur soil treatment". But Farmer Joe has a good question. Look at the larger picture, based on soil analysis, not just the pH alone, or acting to reduce it without managing soil fertility and the balance of minerals. www.soilminerals.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtreelove Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/19/2017 at 7:41 AM, rice555 said: Hello All, SuperProducts is the low cost of irrigation supplies and Netafim is higher in price and for commercial farm/greenhouse, but a better selection flow rates in the dripper's. Both have stores in BKK or you can go through their O/L catalog and call them to order. The usual deposit the $ in their Acct., @/fax a copy of the deposit slip to them and they will EMS your order. If you order from SP, have them send a copy of their catalog with the order, it has more than the O/L cat. Global House and DoHome sell SP, SP also is a partner with Netafim and also sell's some of their products, but not the full range of their stuff. DoHome is in Korat And has another store in Ubon with another name. rice555 Rice, thanks for finally sharing that (re previous discussion) on sourcing Netafim, a superior smart-drip system . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch68 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Yes thanks rice555 and drtreelove I will look at Netafim now. I've been using the SuperProducts but not for long and to be honest it's working very well for now but I would like the micro dripline.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickstart Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 20/10/2017 at 12:05 PM, Hutch68 said: Just another experiment, I want to try lower some soil to between 4 and 5 ph. Don't know what the soil is at the moment as I'm out of town and still waiting for my tester to come but when I start I want to get cracking as soon as so if anyone has any ideas I can start thinking about what I'm going to do. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I was taught,admit a long time ago that the best , ph for soil was 6.5, a ph of bettween 4and 5 would be on the acid side , unless ,the crop is Rhododendron's which like acid soil , most crops would not grow to they potential I would say appy some lime to push the ph up .? As drtreelove said Thai soil also lack most minerals ,you might get the ph right, but the soil will still lack minerals. 18 months ago Framerjo did a soil analysis , of his soil results are in TV's maize thread, the soil was short of almost everything, also organic matter would be low ,a big problem with Thai soils . First thing would be to push the organic matter of the soil up , it would help the soil ph , and minerals . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsaanAussie Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/19/2017 at 8:11 AM, Hutch68 said: On the lowering ph I can find using vinegar, coffee grounds, pine needles and sand can help but can't find anything about em lowering soil ph. Will try the em first as I've always got plenty of that to use but adding a little vinegar to water every now and then seems an easy fix. IsaanAussie have you used em to lower the ph in your soil? Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect EM alone to lower pH? No, don't see how that would provide a fix without having organic matter in the soil. It is one of many biological preparations and when activated has a pH about 3.8 but it has to have a food source or the microbes die. Composting with EM I have found produces a pH of close to 6.4. Adding enough OM to your "soil" will restore balance over time. Simply put, you have two choices, you build up a living soil which then feeds the plants or your feed nutrients to your crops as required and grow them in dirt or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rice555 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 What size of an area are you planning to irrigate? Is it flat? What plant(s), tree(s) or crop(s)? Faucet or pump? Go to U tube and look for what your trying to do. Most all of the Co's. have How To Do for landscape, greenhouse and Ag. Then look and see what you can get here in LOS and go from there. I've only done corn, beans, eggplant and squash with 16 mm drip tape from a 1"(32mm) HDPE supply manifold from a 1" pump. From the borehole through a filter to a 2000L tank. pumped through a filter to the drippiness. Same when fritagion. I did get all the supplies to do a micro drip for irrigating 2/300 chili plants in poly bags(hydroponics). but never set it up. A P/C dripper into a 4-way with 3-4mm tubing to a stake dripper. All 4 stakes and all other clusters of 4 stakes should get the same amount of flow with P/C(pressure compensating). If you use a nonP/C dripper, the one furthest from the supply gets less. A + for SP's P/C dripper's, they can be taken apart and cleaned, Netafim's goes to the trash, it's a sealed unit. Each row of this grow had a valve as the corn needed more water than the bush longbean's. Beans, the 3 short rows. R/H The tools I used to put the whole system together. The red cutter at the top of the pix is great for cutting LD&HDPE up to 1". It's from the BKK SP store and catalog. I haven't found it at the two main sources of SP in Korat. DoHome/GlobalHouse. Not shown is the hand punch to make the hole into the HDPE for the tape fitting. rice555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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